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How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Re: How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Post by billfruit »

miyhhbftdx wrote: post #5

> The word “curry” originated in India, although it did not have a long history there. Instead, it derived from a Portuguese mispronunciation of a term meaning “spices,” which British colonizers applied to a wide swath of Indian dishes. Such misinformation that I can't even... Kari is a Tamil word. I am Tamil. It has been in the vocabulary for thousands of years. Just made some elephant yam kari for lunch. It is alwa…

May be from Malayalam rather than Tamil. In Malayalam, the dish with gravy is Curry, and dry dishes are never described as curry. Portuguese had at least initially more interaction with the west coast of the Indian peninsula, than the east coast, I suppose.

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Post by pgreenwood »

delbel wrote: post #6

I eat pre-mixed Thai curry paste from this brand called "Mae Ploy" with coconut oil, powdered coconut milk, meat (either chicken or beef) and vegetables. There's about five different flavors and for $8 you get a 2 pound bucket of it I have never actually been able to finish one in less than a year. Turns out I can eat an amazing very low carb meal for about $2 a day and 2-3 minutes of meal prep. It's currently my "me…

S&B Golden Curry

Re: How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Post by jgorn »

delbel wrote: post #6

I eat pre-mixed Thai curry paste from this brand called "Mae Ploy" with coconut oil, powdered coconut milk, meat (either chicken or beef) and vegetables. There's about five different flavors and for $8 you get a 2 pound bucket of it I have never actually been able to finish one in less than a year. Turns out I can eat an amazing very low carb meal for about $2 a day and 2-3 minutes of meal prep. It's currently my "me…

That sounds delicious, I love how much flavour is packed in Thai curry paste. But how can you make a fully cooked curry in 2-3 minutes?

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Post by etymacct123 »

not just curry but soup is also indian! of course completely denied by the west so far

soup is from sanskrit supa attested in arthashastra of kautilya dated to 1st millennium BC by westerners and 2nd millennium BC by indians

see link for specific quote from the text: http://www.alexmthomas.com/2016/05/22/a-review-of-trautmanns...

Re: How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Post by etymacct123 »

etymacct123 wrote: post #14

not just curry but soup is also indian! of course completely denied by the west so far soup is from sanskrit supa attested in arthashastra of kautilya dated to 1st millennium BC by westerners and 2nd millennium BC by indians see link for specific quote from the text: http://www.alexmthomas.com/2016/05/22/a-review-of-trautmanns...

not to mention rice is an indian word as well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice#Etymology

but last time i tried mentioning that someone accused me of hindu nationalism and the banhammer was gonna fall

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Post by eastbaydev »

delbel wrote: post #6

I eat pre-mixed Thai curry paste from this brand called "Mae Ploy" with coconut oil, powdered coconut milk, meat (either chicken or beef) and vegetables. There's about five different flavors and for $8 you get a 2 pound bucket of it I have never actually been able to finish one in less than a year. Turns out I can eat an amazing very low carb meal for about $2 a day and 2-3 minutes of meal prep. It's currently my "me…

there are lots of premixed Japanese curry blends. Start off with Golden Curry roux blocks, and then you might want to branch out to other brands like Vermont Curry (tastes of apple and honey, its right there on the package!). Its actually even lazier dish than Mae Ploy because all you add it water. You dont even need to have coconut milk in the pantry.

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Post by flukus »

lgessler wrote: post #9
miyhhbftdx wrote: post #5

> The word “curry” originated in India, although it did not have a long history there. Instead, it derived from a Portuguese mispronunciation of a term meaning “spices,” which British colonizers applied to a wide swath of Indian dishes. Such misinformation that I can't even... Kari is a Tamil word. I am Tamil. It has been in the vocabulary for thousands of years. Just made some elephant yam kari for lunch. It is alwa…

FWIW online etymologies seem to suggest this description isn't totally off, but I agree the bit about it not having a history is transparently wrong. Etymonline[1]: > kind of sauce or relish much used in Indian cookery, from the leaves of a southwest Asian plant related to the lemon, 1680s, from Tamil (Dravidian) kari "sauce, relish for rice," also "a bite, bit, morsel." As "meat or vegetable stew flavored with curry…

> To be clear: what happened here is that English already had a word "curry" (this is the one we get in the expression "curry favor"), and it encountered and incorporated the Tamil word which coincidentally had an identical pronunciation and a very related meaning.

It would be a good candidate to look into the origins of further, perhaps there is a proto-indio-european link and it's not a coincidence.

Re: How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Post by mangamadaiyan »

miyhhbftdx wrote: post #5

> The word “curry” originated in India, although it did not have a long history there. Instead, it derived from a Portuguese mispronunciation of a term meaning “spices,” which British colonizers applied to a wide swath of Indian dishes. Such misinformation that I can't even... Kari is a Tamil word. I am Tamil. It has been in the vocabulary for thousands of years. Just made some elephant yam kari for lunch. It is alwa…

On a tangent - there are at least two other instances of "Kari" in Tamil (the words for Meat and Charcoal). The last two are distinct in their Tamil spellings, but it is impossible to render this distinction in Roman script :)

I can imagine that the culinary term is somehow derived from (or related to) the term for Charcoal, since the verb form implies blackening by fire.

Re: How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Post by geoalchimista »

etymacct123 wrote: post #15
etymacct123 wrote: post #14

not just curry but soup is also indian! of course completely denied by the west so far soup is from sanskrit supa attested in arthashastra of kautilya dated to 1st millennium BC by westerners and 2nd millennium BC by indians see link for specific quote from the text: http://www.alexmthomas.com/2016/05/22/a-review-of-trautmanns...

not to mention rice is an indian word as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice#Etymology but last time i tried mentioning that someone accused me of hindu nationalism and the banhammer was gonna fall

Genetic evidence suggests that rice was cultivated in Southeast Asia (Yangtze River Valley). See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3101000/. So, its true linguistic origin may still be something upstream.

Re: How Curry Became a Japanese Naval Tradition

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Post by escherplex »

lgessler wrote: post #9
miyhhbftdx wrote: post #5

> The word “curry” originated in India, although it did not have a long history there. Instead, it derived from a Portuguese mispronunciation of a term meaning “spices,” which British colonizers applied to a wide swath of Indian dishes. Such misinformation that I can't even... Kari is a Tamil word. I am Tamil. It has been in the vocabulary for thousands of years. Just made some elephant yam kari for lunch. It is alwa…

FWIW online etymologies seem to suggest this description isn't totally off, but I agree the bit about it not having a history is transparently wrong. Etymonline[1]: > kind of sauce or relish much used in Indian cookery, from the leaves of a southwest Asian plant related to the lemon, 1680s, from Tamil (Dravidian) kari "sauce, relish for rice," also "a bite, bit, morsel." As "meat or vegetable stew flavored with curry…

Interesting that a synonym for கறி is தேய் which google-tamil translates as either curry or chafe the later meaning to warm by rubbing which then may be an attempt to curry favor with someone :)
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