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The Case of Jane Doe Ponytail

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Always nice when law enforcement is a bigger problem than the problem they attempt to solve. Poor woman.

I sympathize with the feeling that law enforcement, the judiciary, political appointees, and elected officials should be punished more severely for breaking the corresponding laws that they pledge to uphold and/or enforce. However, I am not sure how anyone would get that sort of law passed besides a referendum.

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Always nice when law enforcement is a bigger problem than the problem they attempt to solve. Poor woman.

Indeed, it is very important to remember that there is always a human cost of making things illegal, and that the harm of the enforcement needs to be weighed against the harm of the problem you are trying to solve.

There's been a larger push for evidence-based medicine over the past decade or two. I'd love it if our criminal justice system was more evidence-based and focused solely on reducing crime/suffering/injustice and better rehabilitation. Many police departments fall into the trap of using number of arrests as their KPI, because that's easier to measure than outcomes.

Serial season 3 has had good discussion on minimum sentencing and judges who sentence based on whims, not on what's effective.

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post #11
post #3

Always nice when law enforcement is a bigger problem than the problem they attempt to solve. Poor woman.

I sympathize with the feeling that law enforcement, the judiciary, political appointees, and elected officials should be punished more severely for breaking the corresponding laws that they pledge to uphold and/or enforce. However, I am not sure how anyone would get that sort of law passed besides a referendum.

It's a moral panic, not entirely unlike your urge to exact revenge from the political class.

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My gynecologist is on this street. Flushing is a dark place. I grew up here. Some dark things that go on here on a regular basis: Exploitation of immigrants. Don't pay them at all and threaten to call ICE. A famous Korean restaurant Kum Gang San was forced to pay millions in a lawsuit for exploiting their foreign staff. They made their employees pick cabbage at a local farm on the weekend to make kimchi... https://ww…

Abacus the movie: free-stream in US: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/abacus/

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sympathize with the feeling that law enforcement, the judiciary, political appointees, and elected officials should be punished more severely for breaking the corresponding laws that they pledge to uphold and/or enforce. However, I am not sure how anyone would get that sort of law passed besides a referendum.

It's a moral panic, not entirely unlike your urge to exact revenge from the political class.

To me, labeling this sort of situation a moral panic implies that we should behave differently. How do you think we should behave?

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An amazing story, so rare to see the effort put into finding the human behind what would otherwise be a nameless tragedy. There's a good interview with the Dan Barry, the lead reporter, about why he was interested in investigating this story: https://www.poynter.org/news/interview-dan-barry-writer-nyts... > I had finished a long-form piece last November called “The Lost Children of Tuam,” and was looking for the next…

Although her story was an abject tragedy, it's inspiring to hear about this writer's urge to humanize her and tell the story of the downtrodden. We need to see more of this compassionate attitude in all aspects of life.

People are human . Barry undehumanized her.

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The police complaining that prostitutes don’t work with them is so annoying.

I’m sorry, if you’re not arresting the Johns and the pimps, or you’re putting undercover officers down to catch individual prostitutes, then why would you /ever/ expect help?

It’s why things like any politician who favors tougher sex laws that functionally only punish the prostitute is very simply supporting and enabling pimps, pedofiles, and traffickers. Anything that makes it harder for a prostitute to go to the police is very simply enabling the abusers.

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For the readers who may not be familiar with Flushing; it is in Queens, which is one of the 5 boroughs that make up New York City.

Queens, unlike more popular boroughs of Manhattan and Brooklyn, is diverse and middle class (more diverse may be apt).

Flushing, particularly is all-the-world-in-one-place, and largely immigrant and per-capita is on the lower side of NYC (about 1/3rd of that of a Manhattanite, who lives 10kms away) . Purportedly, about 800 languages are spoken in Queens.

https://www.businessinsider.in/Queens-has-more-languages-tha...

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