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Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by mynameisvlad » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:19 PM UTC

asaph wrote: post #3

RWD base price is $33,200 (after incentives), even less than the long quoted base price of $35k, though presumably incentives on the standard battery Model 3 (not yet available) would make the after incentives price even cheaper.

Only if you get the car before December 31st. With a 6-10 week turnaround, you'd have to buy it now and hope you're lucky, but cutting it close either way. And even then, it's not 33200, it's actually $37500 because of "potential gas savings".

From Jan 1 to Jun 30, it'll be $41240 and from Jul 1 to Dec 31 2019, it'll be $43125. As of Jan 1 2020, there'll be no more federal tax credit and the car will be full price at $45000.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by devy » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:19 PM UTC

krrrh wrote: post #2

Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…

Totally agree. And their full $7500 (max possible) federal tax rebate just ran out a few days ago.[1] Now it drops to $3,750 (max possible) and orders delivered after June 30 2019 will only receive an $1,875 (max possible) tax credit.

[1]: http://fortune.com/2018/10/12/tax-credit-tesla-deadline/

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by imladyboy » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:19 PM UTC

FireBeyond wrote: post #7

krrrh wrote: post #2

Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…

Only in the US would be advertising a sticker price that includes hypothetical "gas savings" be not considered misleading to the consumer. Perhaps if they want to advertise gas savings they should be forced to also add "increased home electricity costs".

They do account for electricity costs in the "gas savings":

"The average person drives between 10,000 and 15,000 miles and spends between $1,000 and $1,500 on gasoline per year. In comparison, the cost of electricity to power Model 3 over the same distance is up to three times lower. Over the six year average length of car ownership, that's between $4,300 and $6,400 in gasoline savings.

We've assumed a fuel economy of 28 miles per gallon for a comparable gasoline powered sedan, for example, the 2017 BMW 3 series. We've also assumed the national average of $0.13 per kilowatt-hour for electricity and $2.85 per gallon for premium gasoline over the next six years."

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by trizic » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:19 PM UTC

It's still $45k, now we will have to wait for the non-premium interior option for the $35k price.

EDIT: $40k price since it seems that there will be a smaller battery than this. Seems like a good way to make more money when people wanting the smaller range battery get tired of waiting.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by codeulike » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:20 PM UTC

This has 260 mile range, and the webpage says 'Standard battery available in 4 to 6 months' so this still isn't the $35k Tesla. Its a sort of in-the-middle option.

Long Range > Mid Range > Standard

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by asaph » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:20 PM UTC

This is neither the short range battery (220 miles, $35k base price) or the long range battery (310 miles, $49k base price). This is a 3rd option: mid-range battery (260 miles, $45k base price).

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by zeroxfe » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:21 PM UTC

krrrh wrote: post #2

Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…

I kinda get you, but just because there's a bunch of marketing gibberish on the pricing page doesn't mean they aren't being disruptive.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by mynameisvlad » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:21 PM UTC

elihu wrote: post #9

> Model 3 Mid Range Rear-Wheel Drive $45,000 > Incentives - $10,000 > Gas Savings- $4,300 > Price after Est. Savings $30,700 This is good news, but it's still not the $35,000 model. Also, what's the breakdown on the incentives? I thought the federal rebate was $7500 if they haven't run out of those yet. Are they including state rebates (which presumably aren't the same everywhere)? Including "gas savings" in the pric…

Yes, they likely are. I only see $7500 as my incentives line. You can click "Learn more" in the Federal Tax Credit blurb to get more info on the incentives, it might include state information.

I assume the 35000 model is the "Standard Battery available in 4-6 months" that's below the options.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by mynameisvlad » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:23 PM UTC

devy wrote: post #12

krrrh wrote: post #2

Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…

Totally agree. And their full $7500 (max possible) federal tax rebate just ran out a few days ago.[1] Now it drops to $3,750 (max possible) and orders delivered after June 30 2019 will only receive an $1,875 (max possible) tax credit. [1]: http://fortune.com/2018/10/12/tax-credit-tesla-deadline/

If you order right now, there's a chance you'll still get the car by the end of the year (which is all that really matters with the credit), but you'd be cutting it pretty close. All Tesla claimed was that Oct 15 is the deadline for guaranteeing getting the car before the end of the year. Likely, there'll be a bit of leeway that will see people ordering within the next few days also get the car by the end of the year, especially with a 4-6 week promised turnaround for the AWD models (6-10 on the RWD one talked about here cuts it really close).

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by RL_Quine » Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 10:24 PM UTC

zeroxfe wrote: post #17

krrrh wrote: post #2

Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…

I kinda get you, but just because there's a bunch of marketing gibberish on the pricing page doesn't mean they aren't being disruptive.

I think part of the point of being disruptive is that you don't need to sink that low.