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Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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Re: Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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Default presets are not the user "choosing" something. It's why companies always choose the opt-out method vs opt-in.

I've tried a variety of search engines and I always end up going back to Google. They're just better overall for me. That's been my experience and based on that I can see it being justifiable for Apple (who is after all a very opinionated company) taking a similar stand: we don't like defaulting to Google but they're just the best game in town so if we want the iPhone to be the best phone out of the box it needs to d…

I'm sure the $9 billion helps

Re: Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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I was expecting an article that had something to do with financial matters, perhaps tax or borrowing rates.

This is just saying that Google finds it useful to pay Apple to be the default search engine on their devices.

There are many, many relationships where a firm pays another firm money to do something; we don't call that finance even though cash is a financial instrument.

Re: Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Default presets are not the user "choosing" something. It's why companies always choose the opt-out method vs opt-in.

I've tried a variety of search engines and I always end up going back to Google. They're just better overall for me. That's been my experience and based on that I can see it being justifiable for Apple (who is after all a very opinionated company) taking a similar stand: we don't like defaulting to Google but they're just the best game in town so if we want the iPhone to be the best phone out of the box it needs to d…

Yeah that's the issue. Even if they weren't getting paid, they'd still have to choose Google for a reasonable user experience. And I don't see that changing. It's one thing for Apple to get into Maps, and it's another for them to get into search...

Re: Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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Disclaimer: I am not an historian nor a sociologist nor a political scientist. It is pure intuition, so please correct me if you find me wrong.

This kind of article recalling the war declared between Apple and Google by strong characters (reaching almost royal admiration) like Steve Jobs and showing their alliance now forced by economical benefits, brings to my head an observation I make for some years now.

It feels like the world is more and more returning to a, though different, late Middle Age state where kingdoms, merchants/bankers and religion were in control. It feels like we are close to the end of the powerful democratic state.

Yes, these forces has always existed and played a major role in political affairs, but during thr XXth century, we managed to keep it marginal, at least in the West.

Now there is an inversion, Kingdoms are coming back.

There is a lot of example: formation of alliances over sole benefits of oligarchs, growth of organisations never seen from a long time, customer attachment to a company like it was a dogma, tax and regulation ducking by companies, companies wars often more important than wars between states, states bending to organisations wishes, etc.

Maybe to return to this state is a human reflex. Like were unable to create a stable democratic state.

I don't know what to think about it atm, but I'm pretty sure we are on the edge of a great schism with the modern era.

Re: Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Default presets are not the user "choosing" something. It's why companies always choose the opt-out method vs opt-in.

I've tried a variety of search engines and I always end up going back to Google. They're just better overall for me. That's been my experience and based on that I can see it being justifiable for Apple (who is after all a very opinionated company) taking a similar stand: we don't like defaulting to Google but they're just the best game in town so if we want the iPhone to be the best phone out of the box it needs to d…

They may be the "best" (for now) but that don't contradict the fact that I want to be able to have the choice of my default search engine when I start a new device.

Many people may not event know they can change that setting if it is not proposed the first time.

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Google search seems to be deteorating but it is still the best one out there. I tried to switch to DDG and found myself using the !g trick to get google result way too often.

I started using it a few months ago and I find it's good enough probably 90% of the time. It's often enough that it's not really a pain.

In my experience, for anything technical (code problems, datasheets, component info or news) Google gets me the info I want much faster than DDG. I still have DDG as my default, but very often search again by Google.

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Apple cares about privacy so much, they let Google do the dirty part of the business and just take the checks.

Does it really work that way? Does Apple let Google use tracking cookies, browser fingerprinting, account information and/or some unique user identifiers for these searches? Are these requests even made from the phone directly or are they piped through Apple's servers? (I'm not talking about Safari but things like Siri and Spotlight.)

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Isn’t this kind of a hyperbolic comparison? This is revenue, and should be compared to total revenue, not profit. By this measure, if two people pay me $1, and I have $1 in costs, then both people are responsible for 100% of my $1 profits.

Except it’s a more accurate comparison in this case since setting a default search engine is essentially pure profit, where as a hardware company Apple only makes a fraction of profit from their total revenue so it would be more accurate to compare Apple’s Googles revenue against their (pre tax) net income.

Re: Finance makes Apple and Google forced friends

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I was expecting an article that had something to do with financial matters, perhaps tax or borrowing rates. This is just saying that Google finds it useful to pay Apple to be the default search engine on their devices. There are many, many relationships where a firm pays another firm money to do something; we don't call that finance even though cash is a financial instrument.

Most articles are written primarily to generate viewership, this isn’t saying anything new, it’s just putting a spin on existing content to generate new content and more views.
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