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It’s better to be born rich than gifted

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Re: It’s better to be born rich than gifted

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Completing college and getting a well paid job is not the absolute measure of a person, nor the highest attainment of success. Ghandi. Joan of Arc. Jesus of Nazareth. Dr. Martin Luther King. William Wallace. Einstein. Etc. Freedom, human dignity, compassion, knowing how to live right. These all tend to fall outside the scope of corporate aspiration. The article is talking about "success" by essentially a single metri…

born rich (his dad was a provincial minister) poor poor (middle-class, if you think a carpenter is that way, maybe) middle-class rich (born a landed knight) rich (although his father's engineering firm went bust but restarted and did well in the second time and they had money worries at times) about 0.5-5% of people are rich by most definitions humankind does not live by bread alone, but put a human in a box and don'…

Put all humans in a mental box that suggests that how much money they make and how much profit they turn are all that matter and see what happens. That isn't pretty either. We are seeing some of the gruesome outcomes of that currently, for example:

https://medium.com/@joycebowen/murder-by-medicine-dfe9d23207...

Re: It’s better to be born rich than gifted

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This isn’t going to be popular, but: Should parents be allowed to try to give their children a boost in life? If the answer is yes, then it follows that parents with more resources will be more able to provide that boost. For me, the line is drawn at “legacy” admissions or jobs, where a clearly lesser candidate is given the nod over someone who is more qualified. But if the parent is able to provide e.g. volunteer op…

It is definitely inequitable. However, it is also how humans work - we want to advantage our inner group over other groups.

This cuts directly to the heart of the meritocracy argument (most strongly in technology, but it exists everywhere): how can you claim that everyone is judged by their merits (directly related to how hard they work and how smart they train themselves to be) when being lucky (in genetics, in birth, in support and growth, in opportunities) plays such an overwhelming role?

Re: It’s better to be born rich than gifted

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Depends on how 'better' is defined. It looks like they are defining 'better' in this study as 'graduating from college'. That seems like an awfully narrow view of better.

If you're born to wealth but not particularly bright, you might have some any degree and live a lifetime of silenced frustration through easy habits; if you're gifted and poor, you'll struggle and it might take you decades longer but there's still a decent shot at finding deep fulfillment. Gifted talent, pursued, provides a deeper feeling of gratitude in the long run than any means.

Is "deep fulfillment" really linked to accomplishments from being gifted, vs social/family/personal accomplishments?

Re: It’s better to be born rich than gifted

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Rich always have the advantage of better nutrition, information and resources (if parents don't have time, they hire tutors). Is it truly a genetic advantage or a socio-economic advantage? Is there a good way to hold all other variables as a constant in this study?

Re: It’s better to be born rich than gifted

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Depends on how 'better' is defined. It looks like they are defining 'better' in this study as 'graduating from college'. That seems like an awfully narrow view of better.

Graduating from college is correlated with better life outcomes in a lot of areas, including income, health[1], and life expectancy[2][3].

The causal effect of college graduation on those aspects of life varies, but the correlation is so strong that it makes sense to use it as a proxy for "better".

[1]: https://www.luminafoundation.org/files/resources/its-not-jus... [2]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4435622/ [3]: https://www.mpg.de/10795685/longevity-education

Re: It’s better to be born rich than gifted

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Completing college and getting a well paid job is not the absolute measure of a person, nor the highest attainment of success. Ghandi. Joan of Arc. Jesus of Nazareth. Dr. Martin Luther King. William Wallace. Einstein. Etc. Freedom, human dignity, compassion, knowing how to live right. These all tend to fall outside the scope of corporate aspiration. The article is talking about "success" by essentially a single metri…

"Gandhi" (गांधी), not "Ghandi"

Re: It’s better to be born rich than gifted

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post #6

This isn’t going to be popular, but: Should parents be allowed to try to give their children a boost in life? If the answer is yes, then it follows that parents with more resources will be more able to provide that boost. For me, the line is drawn at “legacy” admissions or jobs, where a clearly lesser candidate is given the nod over someone who is more qualified. But if the parent is able to provide e.g. volunteer op…

> legacy admissions

Parents who donate a lot of money to a college will expect preferential admissions treatment for their offspring. Colleges certainly know this, and they want the money.

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