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Re: École 42, a free, teacher-less university schooling programmers (2017)

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This is probably because the original school was based in France and in France `University` is not protected the same way. Although 42 Paris is is actually addredited by the French government.

The diploma is not recognized by the French gov or any European institution. At this time, finishing your 3 years at 42 grants you a line in your resume but that's pretty much it. you wont be able to claim any type of degree with it

On the other hand, French companies love it!

Re: École 42, a free, teacher-less university schooling programmers (2017)

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I don't know the credibility of this Reddit post, but it might be of interest: https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/91bjlr/sc...

Some of those anecdotes do seem pretty far fetched (the cat and battleship) but in my experience Epita/Epitech doesn't produce good software engineers and the director Nicolas Sadirac is from there. And, that director really has no idea what he's talking about in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGgpwl5O4Q&feature=youtu.be...

So, I'm rather skeptical when it comes to Ecole 42. We have great engineering schools in France but the Epita derived schools are really not that great and the only decent graduate I've ever interviewed and hired from one of this school is a self learner who would have been great in any environment.

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I don't know the credibility of this Reddit post, but it might be of interest: https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/91bjlr/sc...

Some of those anecdotes do seem pretty far fetched (the cat and battleship) but in my experience Epita/Epitech doesn't produce good software engineers and the director Nicolas Sadirac is from there. And, that director really has no idea what he's talking about in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGgpwl5O4Q&feature=youtu.be... So, I'm rather skeptical when it comes to Ecole 42. We have great engineering schools in Fra…

> in my experience Epita/Epitech doesn't produce good software engineers

Could you explain a bit more? I’m myself from Epitech, and it hurts my feelings :p

Re: École 42, a free, teacher-less university schooling programmers (2017)

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I don't know the credibility of this Reddit post, but it might be of interest: https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/91bjlr/sc...

Some of those anecdotes do seem pretty far fetched (the cat and battleship) but in my experience Epita/Epitech doesn't produce good software engineers and the director Nicolas Sadirac is from there. And, that director really has no idea what he's talking about in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGgpwl5O4Q&feature=youtu.be... So, I'm rather skeptical when it comes to Ecole 42. We have great engineering schools in Fra…

I'm pretty skeptical about that kind of school too.

I graduated from an French engineering school and I was taught every-day by researchers and professional engineers. That's what most 18 to 23 year-old kid needs. Structure. I know I needed it. I was a dumb 20 something year old.

Plus, that kind of school focuses too much on programming, as in using programming language, and not enough on computer science and engineering. As a result, much of the kids arriving on the job market don't really have an engineering approach to building software. I've seen people using one programming language for most of their carreer, litteraly afraid of switching to another one.

Some may feel that the job market is saturated by programmers looking for a job but the truth is, in France anyway, not much have a good engineering mind. I've worked in big companies, i've worked in small companies and I've talked to a lot a recruiters. They do interview a lot of people, from university, engineering school and other formation structures. Truth is i've seen big and small companies recruting students that had majored in anything but CS, juste because they came from an engineering school or university that was known to produce good engineers.

Most of those students reavealed themselves to be very talented software engineers. Because they were taught engineering. Not just programming.

Of course, students that had majored in CS from engineering had a great head start, but my point is, the engineer skill is really important on the programmer job and most of those bootcamp school overlook it.

Re: École 42, a free, teacher-less university schooling programmers (2017)

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of those anecdotes do seem pretty far fetched (the cat and battleship) but in my experience Epita/Epitech doesn't produce good software engineers and the director Nicolas Sadirac is from there. And, that director really has no idea what he's talking about in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGgpwl5O4Q&feature=youtu.be... So, I'm rather skeptical when it comes to Ecole 42. We have great engineering schools in Fra…

> in my experience Epita/Epitech doesn't produce good software engineers Could you explain a bit more? I’m myself from Epitech, and it hurts my feelings :p

... Epita, efrei, supinfo ... great great school everybody know this, in France au moins.

... Epitech is a very special little thing.

Sadirac, real old hacker from semantec, build just 20 year the futur of computer school: student become teacher, each test is an automatic correction ...

So, 42 is bully, in my opinion, but Epitech remain la crème de la crème.

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> in my experience Epita/Epitech doesn't produce good software engineers Could you explain a bit more? I’m myself from Epitech, and it hurts my feelings :p

... Epita, efrei, supinfo ... great great school everybody know this, in France au moins. ... Epitech is a very special little thing. Sadirac, real old hacker from semantec, build just 20 year the futur of computer school: student become teacher, each test is an automatic correction ... So, 42 is bully, in my opinion, but Epitech remain la crème de la crème.

You do realize that all the epitech staff, including sadirac himself moved to found ecole 42 years ago ?

Re: École 42, a free, teacher-less university schooling programmers (2017)

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Two problems with title of post: - 2017 article - Ecole 42 is not a "university": https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=university

This is probably because the original school was based in France and in France `University` is not protected the same way. Although 42 Paris is is actually addredited by the French government.

Just to clarify something : Université in france is a very special type of public educational entity, that for example does research. In no way can any private school pretend to be one.

Re: École 42, a free, teacher-less university schooling programmers (2017)

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Just keep in mind that most higher education is "free" anyway in France (either around 400€ a year for registration fees or totally free for people which have a government scholarship) and there is no exams entry at the university. Some formations are selective and some require some money to enrol but overall the only innovation this "school" provide is... the absence of teachers.

Re: École 42, a free, teacher-less university schooling programmers (2017)

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is probably because the original school was based in France and in France `University` is not protected the same way. Although 42 Paris is is actually addredited by the French government.

Just to clarify something : Université in france is a very special type of public educational entity, that for example does research. In no way can any private school pretend to be one.

I was surprised to learn that main technical companies in France do not really care for most French university exact kind of diplomas, when they care for specific diplomas it is from a reduced set of organizations, and they pay well in that case.

For French universities, what they care for is the level of the diploma (graduate/master/phd) but frankly they often do not care about the diploma itself.

I have seen PhD people been recruited at a lower pay than engineers that graduated from Supelec for example.

Re: École 42, a free, teacher-less university schooling programmers (2017)

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I don't know the credibility of this Reddit post, but it might be of interest: https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/91bjlr/sc...

Some of those anecdotes do seem pretty far fetched (the cat and battleship) but in my experience Epita/Epitech doesn't produce good software engineers and the director Nicolas Sadirac is from there. And, that director really has no idea what he's talking about in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGgpwl5O4Q&feature=youtu.be... So, I'm rather skeptical when it comes to Ecole 42. We have great engineering schools in Fra…

> but in my experience Epita/Epitech doesn't produce good software engineers

How so? It's one of the best IT schools from France and the concept was even adapted in the US. As an example, I could point to Docker which was founded by epitech students.

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