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Testing the June Intelligent Oven

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Re: Testing the June Intelligent Oven

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I think I would pay $100 for a toaster oven with a decent PID controller, controls that made sense (what does "200F" on dial 1 and "Toast" on dial 2 even mean?), and had a decent chance of working in 20 years. I've already got a pretty decent set of sensors + heavy duty, self-updating neural network between my shoulders, thanks.

bake means to turn on the bottom heat element, broil turns on only the top element, and toast turns on both elements.

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I think I would pay $100 for a toaster oven with a decent PID controller, controls that made sense (what does "200F" on dial 1 and "Toast" on dial 2 even mean?), and had a decent chance of working in 20 years. I've already got a pretty decent set of sensors + heavy duty, self-updating neural network between my shoulders, thanks.

If you would be OK with a little DIY work, Google for things like "reflow soldering with toaster oven". There have been many conversion projects to adapt cheap toaster ovens for hobbyist reflow soldering.

This involves putting in some good temperature sensors, and bypassing the built-in controls to put the heating elements under the control of an Arduino or similar controller.

Some even add a cheap graphical LCD that can show a graph of temperature over time, and a simple interface to let you enter temperature profiles to follow.

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Can we talk about commodity kitchen hardware? A brand new microwave seems to have the same halfassed, user hostile firmware they shipped around 1999, oriented around a fixed segment display. I would like to see some simple additions that would make a world of difference. * Add some IR temp sensors, for what $5 in parts, that can heat to an approximate inside temp. * Update the firmware, for example, to stop beeping w…

The really simple firmware change I've long wanted is when the oven finishes, start a count up timer in the display.

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Can we talk about commodity kitchen hardware? A brand new microwave seems to have the same halfassed, user hostile firmware they shipped around 1999, oriented around a fixed segment display. I would like to see some simple additions that would make a world of difference. * Add some IR temp sensors, for what $5 in parts, that can heat to an approximate inside temp. * Update the firmware, for example, to stop beeping w…

Agreed. I honestly perfer the 70s dial to most modern interfaces. One step, done. Meanwhile if I don't want some useless preprogrammed setting, it takes a minimum of 4 keypresses to set a time, to say nothing of power. I can order food online almost as easy ffs.

I liked the food service one I used years ago. 9 buttons, numbered 1-9, and they ran the oven for 10x seconds at a pop. Add one button/latch to open, and it was a simple as it could be.

Toss something in, hit 1 button, ding, open door.

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Can we talk about commodity kitchen hardware? A brand new microwave seems to have the same halfassed, user hostile firmware they shipped around 1999, oriented around a fixed segment display. I would like to see some simple additions that would make a world of difference. * Add some IR temp sensors, for what $5 in parts, that can heat to an approximate inside temp. * Update the firmware, for example, to stop beeping w…

Also, could we please add some form of accessibility? As somebody who is visually impaired, microwaves win for least accessible devices in my life. The non-tattle buttons are near impossible to use. We just got a new microwave at home and the buttons even seem to be capacitive so it is even harder to use.

You can still buy microwaves with spring-loaded timer knobs where a given angle corresponds to a fixed amount of time. The blind people I know all have them.

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I really like that this oven has a camera, as well as temperature probes, and that it’s all integrated into the oven’s experience through a app on the phone. Do they have any competitors doing this stuff, or are they alone in doing this right now? I am impressed - they’ve decomposed the idea of what an oven experience usually is (stationary waiting and checking) and shifted it to what it could be (check on it from a…

There are www.brava.com as well.

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Wow, what good timing. My wife and I don't cook a whole lot so we don't want a full size oven, but were thinking about getting one of these smaller toaster-oven footprint appliances. We were looking at the June oven and, e.g., the crazy Brava Light oven (which seems cool, but I can't get over the woo-woo marketing materials).

Cook's Illustrated is a really respectable magazine, so this recommendation carries some substantial weight for me.

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Can we talk about commodity kitchen hardware? A brand new microwave seems to have the same halfassed, user hostile firmware they shipped around 1999, oriented around a fixed segment display. I would like to see some simple additions that would make a world of difference. * Add some IR temp sensors, for what $5 in parts, that can heat to an approximate inside temp. * Update the firmware, for example, to stop beeping w…

I have an LG inverter microwave and it has an annoying "cute" song it plays when it finishes (and periodically to remind you unless you open the door). There seems to be no way to shut it up without opening it up and disconnecting things.

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Can we talk about commodity kitchen hardware? A brand new microwave seems to have the same halfassed, user hostile firmware they shipped around 1999, oriented around a fixed segment display. I would like to see some simple additions that would make a world of difference. * Add some IR temp sensors, for what $5 in parts, that can heat to an approximate inside temp. * Update the firmware, for example, to stop beeping w…

I have an LG inverter microwave and it has an annoying "cute" song it plays when it finishes (and periodically to remind you unless you open the door). There seems to be no way to shut it up without opening it up and disconnecting things.

This is why I genuinely feel like this stuff should be open sourced. There is no way that the firmware in a modern microwave is providing them some competitive advantage. Not everyone can recompile firmware but some helpful individual on a forum could dive in to it, provide an updated build, and share flashing instructions.

Manufacturers close source things by default but there’s so much improvements the hackers of the world could make to things if we had source code and schematics. I think it’s a real shame that the status quo is closed source by default.

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Can we talk about commodity kitchen hardware? A brand new microwave seems to have the same halfassed, user hostile firmware they shipped around 1999, oriented around a fixed segment display. I would like to see some simple additions that would make a world of difference. * Add some IR temp sensors, for what $5 in parts, that can heat to an approximate inside temp. * Update the firmware, for example, to stop beeping w…

My cheap unbranded microwave has a dial to set the power (which is always on max) and a clockwork dial to set the time, which also starts the oven when turned.

This is the best UX of any microwave I’ve ever had - I can start it with the correct time in a single action just by feel - I don’t even have to look at it.

I very much doubt it has any firmware to speak of, or what feature such firmware could possibly offer that would improve my experience.

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