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Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

seanalltogether wrote: post #5

Instead of governments announcing bans (I believe france announced a future ban a couple months back), I would rather see these governments committing to only purchasing electric vehicles for all government fleets. Why not put your money were your mouth is and help pump money into the industry via purchasing orders, rather then simply announcing a ban?

> Why not put your money were your mouth is

"Rules for thee and not for me"

The government is happy to tell everyone else what to do but when it comes time to buy their own vehicles they don't have to play by those rules so their decision making process does not reflect the presence those rules and they wind up buying ICE vehicles for the majority of use cases because from a strict numbers perspective those are what make sense in a majority of use cases.

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by floatrock »

gambiting wrote: post #3

As great as it is, remember that hybrids are exempt. And the law is very lax when it comes to a definition of a hybrid - Range Rover has a model with a whooping 1 mile(!!!) of electric range, but of course it has an electric motor so it qualifies as a hybrid and could still be sold under this ban. I expect very very soon we'll see this kind of extremely minor electrification coming to all kinds of vehicles, where a t…

Interesting bit about the Range Rover model, but from the fourth paragraph:

> “In just 12 years, we will prohibit the sale of new diesel and petrol cars. And in 17 years, every new car in Denmark must be an electric car or other forms of zero-emissions car,” Rasmussen said, implying that hybrids will be phased out in 2035.

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by reacharavindh »

Wonder what it'd do to the resale value of cars even before 2030.

Denmark with their famous 150% registration tax already has cars being used much longer than what I've seen in other countries. I'd love to see the 150% tax waived off for 100% electric cars that are not luxury vehicles. Set strict constraints for a common man car, and incentivize it turning electric.

Also, think about the charging infrastructure....

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by gambiting »

phil248 wrote: post #9
gambiting wrote: post #3

As great as it is, remember that hybrids are exempt. And the law is very lax when it comes to a definition of a hybrid - Range Rover has a model with a whooping 1 mile(!!!) of electric range, but of course it has an electric motor so it qualifies as a hybrid and could still be sold under this ban. I expect very very soon we'll see this kind of extremely minor electrification coming to all kinds of vehicles, where a t…

The 2019 Range Rover hybrid has an all electric range of 31 miles. Maybe an older model has a 1 mile electric range? That didn't pass the smell test so I had to look it up.

Yeah the new 400e has more range. The original that came out few years ago had only 1 mile range, as mentioned in the brochure:

https://www.landrover.com/Images/HYBRID_FAQ_GUIDE_Intreactiv...

"How far can my Range Rover Hybrid travel using just the electric motor?

When Electric Vehicle mode is activated manually using the EV button, the EV light on the instrument cluster will glow green. The Range Rover Hybrid will drive silently at slow speeds for a distance of up to 1 mile/1.6km provided the hybrid battery is fully charged when EV mode is activated"

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by ehnto »

phil248 wrote: post #9
gambiting wrote: post #3

As great as it is, remember that hybrids are exempt. And the law is very lax when it comes to a definition of a hybrid - Range Rover has a model with a whooping 1 mile(!!!) of electric range, but of course it has an electric motor so it qualifies as a hybrid and could still be sold under this ban. I expect very very soon we'll see this kind of extremely minor electrification coming to all kinds of vehicles, where a t…

The 2019 Range Rover hybrid has an all electric range of 31 miles. Maybe an older model has a 1 mile electric range? That didn't pass the smell test so I had to look it up.

At first that sounded ridiculous but actually it might be just right for an SUV in suburbia. Day to day driving is electric, then long distance is combustion. Pretty much what I would need in Australia.

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Post by jstanley »

reacharavindh wrote: post #13

Wonder what it'd do to the resale value of cars even before 2030. Denmark with their famous 150% registration tax already has cars being used much longer than what I've seen in other countries. I'd love to see the 150% tax waived off for 100% electric cars that are not luxury vehicles. Set strict constraints for a common man car, and incentivize it turning electric. Also, think about the charging infrastructure....

Why does it make any difference whether it is a luxury vehicle or not?

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

jrnvs wrote: post #8
billysielu wrote: post #4

2030 is ages away, try 2020.

Don't forget that car companies plan years ahead. Setting an end-date like this brings the subject on the table of the car companies' board rooms.

And setting an impossible to implement date of 2020 is a great way to ensure they donate their money to whoever's running against you.

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by RobAley »

seanalltogether wrote: post #5

Instead of governments announcing bans (I believe france announced a future ban a couple months back), I would rather see these governments committing to only purchasing electric vehicles for all government fleets. Why not put your money were your mouth is and help pump money into the industry via purchasing orders, rather then simply announcing a ban?

Because this does exactly that, and more. The gov have effectively committed to buying only elecrtic fleets because thats all that will be sold.

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by tedeh »

josu wrote: post #10

There is a long list of countries that decided to ban fossil fuel burning cars in the upcoming years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_banning_foss... Personally, I don't think the ban will ever be enforced. It will create the right incentives and most car sales will be electric, but there will still be fossil fuel burning car sales.

Enforcing it is going to be quite simple.

The "DMV" or equivalent will have a very hard time explaining why they are still giving out license plates for new vehicles that are not electric if the ban is made law.

Re: Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030

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Post by martin_bech »

DerJacques wrote: post #2

While the promise sounds great, it's important to note that no law has actually been passed. Also, incentives to increase sales of electric vehicles are yet to be announced. Denmark's Scandinavian neighbour Norway is on the other side of the spectrum. Heavy subsidisation has caused every 2nd (!) car sold to be electric ( https://www.reuters.com/article/us-environment-norway-autos/... ).

Incentives are to be anounced next week. If they follow the so called “climate panel” they will be horrible.. a Tesla will actually go up in price..
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