Is Opera Touch also owned by Opera's Chinese parent company? I couldn't see anything mentioned in the few articles I checked.
Yes I would not trust them just as I don't understand how people buy Chinese spy phones
Opera Touch is a solid alternative to Safari on the iPhone
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Re: Opera Touch is a solid alternative to Safari on the iPhone
#12They rushed to get it out of beta without making sure that things like sites with self signed certificates are rendered.
Just visit
and see what happens when browsing that site.
Re: Opera Touch is a solid alternative to Safari on the iPhone
#13I feel it's safer these days to assume any digital product that's owned by a Chinese parent company is compromised, than assuming it isn't.
Re: Opera Touch is a solid alternative to Safari on the iPhone
#14On iOS, there can’t really be an alternative to Safari because there is no way to change the default browser system wide.
No matter how careful you are, eventually some app somewhere will open an URL, causing Safari to open, but now that it’s not your default browser, all your login state, your favorites and, heck, even just the familiar UI will be missing.
No. Until iOS allows setting a default browser, there is no point to accept this kind of friction and at least I myself feel much better off just using Safari and getting a consistent browser experience even if an app opens an URL.
Re: Opera Touch is a solid alternative to Safari on the iPhone
#15I know that nobody is asking for alternatives, nor my opinion, but Brave browser is great. Cool project
What about the issue that Brave is based on Chromium. And thus any privacy features are nullified because it essentially reports back to Google? Is there any merrit to this argument?
All the Google reporting is stripped out. The Brave engineering team (I'm on the business team) is very serious about making sure that's all gone. Brave is open source so everyone can check their work.
Re: Opera Touch is a solid alternative to Safari on the iPhone
#16Is Opera Touch also owned by Opera's Chinese parent company? I couldn't see anything mentioned in the few articles I checked.
Yes I would not trust them just as I don't understand how people buy Chinese spy phones
Okay, so there are a lot of accusations of spyware on Chinese phones. Can someone link concrete evidence of this?
I ask this out of genuine curiosity.
Re: Opera Touch is a solid alternative to Safari on the iPhone
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about the issue that Brave is based on Chromium. And thus any privacy features are nullified because it essentially reports back to Google? Is there any merrit to this argument?
All the Google reporting is stripped out. The Brave engineering team (I'm on the business team) is very serious about making sure that's all gone. Brave is open source so everyone can check their work.
But can you be sure there is not something hidden?
Re: Opera Touch is a solid alternative to Safari on the iPhone
#18On iOS, there can’t really be an alternative to Safari because there is no way to change the default browser system wide. No matter how careful you are, eventually some app somewhere will open an URL, causing Safari to open, but now that it’s not your default browser, all your login state, your favorites and, heck, even just the familiar UI will be missing. No. Until iOS allows setting a default browser, there is no…
I agree it's problematic, but there is one good reason to use alternative browsers on iOS — synchronization. Safari's sync with desktop is not really useful if someone uses Linux on their desktop/laptop.
Re: Opera Touch is a solid alternative to Safari on the iPhone
#19On iOS, there can’t really be an alternative to Safari because there is no way to change the default browser system wide. No matter how careful you are, eventually some app somewhere will open an URL, causing Safari to open, but now that it’s not your default browser, all your login state, your favorites and, heck, even just the familiar UI will be missing. No. Until iOS allows setting a default browser, there is no…
Also Apple doesn't allow any 3rd party browser engine in the App Store
Re: Opera Touch is a solid alternative to Safari on the iPhone
#20On iOS, there can’t really be an alternative to Safari because there is no way to change the default browser system wide. No matter how careful you are, eventually some app somewhere will open an URL, causing Safari to open, but now that it’s not your default browser, all your login state, your favorites and, heck, even just the familiar UI will be missing. No. Until iOS allows setting a default browser, there is no…
On top of that, Safari state is shared in a lot of embedded browser windows inside apps, which no other browser can obviously implement