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Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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I don't think this would work. If the fee was too high, then smaller companies and individuals would be locked out of patents. If the fee is too low, then it doesn't matter and large companies will continue business as usual.

Make the bounty $10000 * sqrt(# patents owned by applicant)

That isn't a bad idea. That would disincentivize patenting everything under the sun too.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this would work. If the fee was too high, then smaller companies and individuals would be locked out of patents. If the fee is too low, then it doesn't matter and large companies will continue business as usual.

Make the bounty $10000 * sqrt(# patents owned by applicant)

Trolls will often have one patent per company all owned by a 2nd company. That's really hard to stop.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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> He then spent $6,000 of his own money to launch a formal challenge to 936. Either he has a lot of spare time and money or this isn't the full story.

> Either he has a lot of spare time and money. He probably has! https://www.wired.com/story/eric-swildens-uber-waymo-lawsuit... And previous discussion on this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15875685

tl;dr for those who don't want to read devys link (though you should. Good article):

> After a three-year battle in which he spent up to $1000 an hour on lawyers, Swildens ended up selling Speedera at a discount to Akamai for $130 million.

He can probably do this a few more times.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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This is so typical in technology now, large corporations patenting everything they can possibly think of, including things that they've blatantly copied. It absolutely doesn't surprise me that a technology as fundamentally simple and foundational as LIDAR is covered by a load of bullshit patents. As the article notes what this is really about is using your patents to litigate competitors either to slow their progress…

Using Patents to patent trivial stuff and then getting a monopoly from the government as reward is just rent seeking evil and wrong on so many levels.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this would work. If the fee was too high, then smaller companies and individuals would be locked out of patents. If the fee is too low, then it doesn't matter and large companies will continue business as usual.

Make the bounty $10000 * sqrt(# patents owned by applicant)

Also adjust that $10k with inflation yearly.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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This is really pissing me off as they can essentially patent anything and everything and squash all completion. It’s now an arms race of patents among the tech giants.

I remember reading here how Google was patenting neural network layers such as dropout etc.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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This is really pissing me off as they can essentially patent anything and everything and squash all completion. It’s now an arms race of patents among the tech giants. I remember reading here how Google was patenting neural network layers such as dropout etc.

It is tough for the small guys. It's not uncommon for a patent application to cost you upwards of 30k or so to file which is a definite barrier to entry to start with.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Either he has a lot of spare time and money. He probably has! https://www.wired.com/story/eric-swildens-uber-waymo-lawsuit... And previous discussion on this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15875685

tl;dr for those who don't want to read devys link (though you should. Good article): > After a three-year battle in which he spent up to $1000 an hour on lawyers, Swildens ended up selling Speedera at a discount to Akamai for $130 million. He can probably do this a few more times.

Everyone needs a hobby.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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> describes how a laser diode can be configured to emit pulses of laser light using a circuit that includes an inductor and a gallium nitride transistor.

Did they seriously try to patent an oscillator? Galium nitride FET or a vacuum tube, this design is at least 100 years old. WTF.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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> describes how a laser diode can be configured to emit pulses of laser light using a circuit that includes an inductor and a gallium nitride transistor. Did they seriously try to patent an oscillator? Galium nitride FET or a vacuum tube, this design is at least 100 years old. WTF.

You can't claim to have invented the oscillator, but you can claim the novel use of an oscillator for a particular application.
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