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Re: Ideology Is the Original Augmented Reality

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Post by WaxProlix » Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 10:29 PM UTC

drb91 wrote: post #9

valarauca1 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

religion is a facet, or component of ideology.

I would not describe the defining parts of buddhism as ideological so much as philosophical and sensuous. I’m not sure a good definition of religion exists. You’re being hugey reductive.

In this context, Zizekian "ideology" is a set of beliefs or axioms that color how we perceive the world. It's just the medium through which we live our lives and exist our existences and engage with social structures. So in that sense, religion is one thing which would help to make up 'ideology'.

In the non-jargon common sense of ideology ("a system of ideas and ideals, especially one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy", thanks dictionary) you're broadly right.

Re: Ideology Is the Original Augmented Reality

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Post by rexpop » Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 10:40 PM UTC

ilaksh wrote: post #6

Very interesting but I don't think AR is a perfect analogy because as far as I can tell there does not seem to be any such thing as an unbiased non-ideological human viewpoint (overlayed onto). _Everyone_ has a set of foundational nodes in their cognitive perceptual framework (an ideology) that are a core aspect of any view they have of the world. This is a pretty fundamental problem for politics.

John Searle, in his "The Construction of Social Reality," does a memorable job dismissing arguments against objective, unbiased non-ideological reality by reminding the reader that we take the common human viewpoint for granted constantly. In fact, there is vastly more that we agree on that what we don't, e.g. "There is snow and ice at the top of Mt. Everest," or "this dollar is worth a cola"

Sure, there are groups that impugn these most basic shared truths — e.g. flat-earthers and crpyto-financiers — but for most of us, the foundational nodes in our cognitive perceptual framework are boring, ie common.

Re: Ideology Is the Original Augmented Reality

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Post by tCfD » Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 10:41 PM UTC

yesenadam wrote: post #3

Maybe religion is the original augmented reality. Interesting way to think about it, anyway.

Ritual Reality

Re: Ideology Is the Original Augmented Reality

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Post by fallingfrog » Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 10:58 PM UTC

danharaj wrote: post #2

Zizek!? Time for some memes.

That whole article was really straightforward for zizek, I love hearing him talk because he's never boring but his train of thought veers all over the place when he speaks live.

Re: Ideology Is the Original Augmented Reality

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Post by bfuller » Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 11:15 PM UTC

tCfD wrote: post #13

yesenadam wrote: post #3

Maybe religion is the original augmented reality. Interesting way to think about it, anyway.

Ritual Reality

Occult knowledge = cheat codes

Re: Ideology Is the Original Augmented Reality

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Post by glibgil » Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 11:17 PM UTC

drb91 wrote: post #9

valarauca1 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

religion is a facet, or component of ideology.

I would not describe the defining parts of buddhism as ideological so much as philosophical and sensuous. I’m not sure a good definition of religion exists. You’re being hugey reductive.

> You’re being hugey reductive

Like a dictionary? It's just semantics

Re: Ideology Is the Original Augmented Reality

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Post by smhost » Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 11:18 PM UTC

yesenadam wrote: post #3

Maybe religion is the original augmented reality. Interesting way to think about it, anyway.

zizek says that the book of job is the first critique of ideology, and he calls himself a christian atheist because he thinks becoming an atheist is only possible by going through christianity.

so you have it exactly backwards. or maybe not, who the hell knows with hegelians.

Re: Ideology Is the Original Augmented Reality

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Post by elvinyung » Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 11:25 PM UTC

My theory here is really sloppy, but in this topic I think there are two concepts worth examining:

* Baudrillard's ideas on the hyperreality, which is basically a simulation that doesn't actually relate to any underlying reality. He argued that a lot of the signs and symbols in our postmodern society have become hyperreal, purely manufactured artifacts.

* Deleuze's concept of virtuality which he defines as something isn't actual, but is nevertheless real.

Is a virtual reality any less real than physicality? If sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, then sufficiently advanced artificial reality might be indistinguishable from reality.

Re: Ideology Is the Original Augmented Reality

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Post by kiriakasis » Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 11:27 PM UTC

valarauca1 wrote: post #4

yesenadam wrote: post #3

Maybe religion is the original augmented reality. Interesting way to think about it, anyway.

religion is a facet, or component of ideology.

Some might argue the opposite, that said I agree that the way many people approach religion makes it basically equal to an ideology.

But you can approach religions as a topic in countless ways, so I think it is fair not to reduce it to the lowest (albeit maybe most common...) approach people have

Re: Ideology Is the Original Augmented Reality

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Post by wry_discontent » Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 11:28 PM UTC

smhost wrote: post #17

yesenadam wrote: post #3

Maybe religion is the original augmented reality. Interesting way to think about it, anyway.

zizek says that the book of job is the first critique of ideology, and he calls himself a christian atheist because he thinks becoming an atheist is only possible by going through christianity. so you have it exactly backwards. or maybe not, who the hell knows with hegelians.

Do you know where he writes about that? I'd be interested to read more.