I lost count after 200,003 rats :) Do rats serve a useful (for us) purpose there? If not, can we release a rat specific poison or is that impossible without harming the entire ecosystem?
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/13/8592817/rat-patrol-new-yo... The guys who do this professionally/successfully in a sparsely populated place with everyone helping and the advantage that rats can't survive outdoors don't think it's possible in cities. Big problems with poison: Rats are harder than you think to poison, they're both sceptical of new food and adapted to survive lots of poisons Evolution will work again…
Pioneering study finds more than 200,000 rats in Barcelona’s sewers
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#12I lost count after 200,003 rats :) Do rats serve a useful (for us) purpose there? If not, can we release a rat specific poison or is that impossible without harming the entire ecosystem?
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#13I lost count after 200,003 rats :) Do rats serve a useful (for us) purpose there? If not, can we release a rat specific poison or is that impossible without harming the entire ecosystem?
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/13/8592817/rat-patrol-new-yo... The guys who do this professionally/successfully in a sparsely populated place with everyone helping and the advantage that rats can't survive outdoors don't think it's possible in cities. Big problems with poison: Rats are harder than you think to poison, they're both sceptical of new food and adapted to survive lots of poisons Evolution will work again…
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#15I lost count after 200,003 rats :) Do rats serve a useful (for us) purpose there? If not, can we release a rat specific poison or is that impossible without harming the entire ecosystem?
Animals bunch around places where there is food. And the hard part is if you have food these animals generally multiply well enough to eat that food.
In India its common to see street dogs, because food littering. Some times they take away the dogs, but they repopulate again in months/years. And in places where they don't litter you will see there are no dogs.
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#16I lost count after 200,003 rats :) Do rats serve a useful (for us) purpose there? If not, can we release a rat specific poison or is that impossible without harming the entire ecosystem?
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#18I lost count after 200,003 rats :) Do rats serve a useful (for us) purpose there? If not, can we release a rat specific poison or is that impossible without harming the entire ecosystem?
Alberta have managed to keep rats at bay: http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/All/agd...
It's hard to imagine a public education campaign like this working today:
> Posters and brochures on rat control were widely distributed; displays were presented at local fairs, picnics and rodeos; and talks were presented to schools, 4-H clubs, agricultural societies, Chambers of Commerce and to just about anyone who would listen.
...let alone with this level of dedication from the educators:
> At a series of meetings with members of Indigenous communities, an Alberta Agriculture staff member ate warfarin-treated rolled oats while discussing rat control and the physiological effects of warfarin. He was able to effectively demonstrate the relative safety of warfarin to concerned community members, and they were able to move forward together.
It took about a decade for the program to work, but it did work:
> The number of known rat infestations in the border area increased rapidly from one in 1950 to 573 in 1955, and the numbers varied between 394 and 637 during 1956 to 1959. After 1959, the numbers of infestations dropped dramatically (Figure 3 [showing # rat infestations in Alberta hovering between 0 and 4 since 2000]). Hence, almost 10 years passed before an accumulation of training, experience and public education brought the rat problem firmly in hand.
And finally, rat control seems to be a point of genuine public pride. Something about regularly trumpeting government success in media is weird to me, but they seem to have earned it, and it's useful to keep people appreciative and aware.
> The discovery of a rat in Edmonton or Calgary receives full media coverage. In addition, the success of the program is reported by provincial or national media three or four times a year, and this success serves as a reminder to the residents that rat control is still an important program in Alberta.
Great link!
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#19Leaving aside the pest aspect (and I'm sure it's all too real in many places), rats are fascinating creatures with a sharp, pragmatic intelligence, loads of adaptability, and social behaviors that we primates can very easily recognize and relate to. I have seen rats perform clearly abstact thinking, brewing up complex ad-hoc plans, and show stunning degrees of spatial awareness. I have been lied to by a rat, who seem…
...elaborate?