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Seems like my sleeping patterns are a lot different than those of most other people. Also, I felt depressed to see that people spend most of their lives sleeping and working or in some transition thereof.

"8 Hours for Work, 8 Hours for Rest, 8 Hours for What We Will" was a slogan in the labor movement, fighting for the eight hour day, coined in 1817.

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Well, we spend a third of our lives sleeping by design (which, you should rest reassured, improves the quality of your waking hours). As for the third spent working, for as long as we have liked eating & having a roof over our heads, that has required steady effort.

I don't actually think your second point is correct on either a historical or practical level. Historically, humans had a lot of what would now be considered downtime, especially in certain societies. And practically, nothing actually "requires" that except for the fact that we've set up society in such a way to allow some people get to grow wildly wealthy on the backs on the labor of most of the people putting in th…

Its really astonishing to me how wealthy some people are getting from others work. I completely support people getting wildly rich from their own efforts, but from the way that our society is structured, most wealth is just capturing the value of another persons labor.

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I wake up @ 4AM most days to get my work out in. Walking to the gym gives me a glimpse of a different America. It's mostly men, white guys in my city, they are all middle class looking dudes. Loading up trucks at the nearby grocery or beginning/ending their shift, maybe some security guards once in a while.

There's some homeless people every once in a while but for the most part they don't seem to be active. There are no cars in the streets and it feels like a movie set. Always an interesting hour, 4 AM.

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For me it's very strange to see that a huge portion of the population sleeps until 9am (and a big number even until 10am!). I worked in many countries before and in most workplaces you had to show up at least by 9. Of course there were some exceptions but in general that's how it was.

I think it also depends a LOT on if you're an early / late morning or even night person.

I find it much easier to stay up later than to wake up earlier; for others it's the opposite.

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Well, we spend a third of our lives sleeping by design (which, you should rest reassured, improves the quality of your waking hours). As for the third spent working, for as long as we have liked eating & having a roof over our heads, that has required steady effort.

I don't actually think your second point is correct on either a historical or practical level. Historically, humans had a lot of what would now be considered downtime, especially in certain societies. And practically, nothing actually "requires" that except for the fact that we've set up society in such a way to allow some people get to grow wildly wealthy on the backs on the labor of most of the people putting in th…

Even in recent history my experience in countries that haven't caught up with the 'productive' Western-Europe approach contain a lot of downtime. The experience was often annoying for us Northern-Europeans, but in hindsight seemed moderately healthier to me.

It involved a bunch of guys standing around on construction sites sort of getting stuff done, but mostly when the owner was present, and enjoying their time outside part of the time when the owner was not.

Or women spending easily 50% of their time in their shops not selling things but chatting with various other women, or watching their kids.

I wasn't a fan of the clear gender-separation, but it was interesting to see that both men and women spent much of their day interacting in personally meaningful ways with their neighbors/customers, rather than bleeping products as fast as they could to hit some kind of target.

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Seems like my sleeping patterns are a lot different than those of most other people. Also, I felt depressed to see that people spend most of their lives sleeping and working or in some transition thereof.

"8 Hours for Work, 8 Hours for Rest, 8 Hours for What We Will" was a slogan in the labor movement, fighting for the eight hour day, coined in 1817.

If only that was just the beginning...

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I wake up @ 4AM most days to get my work out in. Walking to the gym gives me a glimpse of a different America. It's mostly men, white guys in my city, they are all middle class looking dudes. Loading up trucks at the nearby grocery or beginning/ending their shift, maybe some security guards once in a while. There's some homeless people every once in a while but for the most part they don't seem to be active. There ar…

It's a wonderful time to be out driving on the streets. You often have even the biggest thoroughfares to yourself in a quiet world.

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Well, we spend a third of our lives sleeping by design (which, you should rest reassured, improves the quality of your waking hours). As for the third spent working, for as long as we have liked eating & having a roof over our heads, that has required steady effort.

I don't actually think your second point is correct on either a historical or practical level. Historically, humans had a lot of what would now be considered downtime, especially in certain societies. And practically, nothing actually "requires" that except for the fact that we've set up society in such a way to allow some people get to grow wildly wealthy on the backs on the labor of most of the people putting in th…

Fun fact: if you took all the income in the U.S. (labor + capital) and distributed it evenly, every adult person would make about $65,000. Quite comfortable, and maybe a big improvement on the status quo, but still "working stiff" territory. We still live in an era where America's protestant work ethic is relevant. Maybe that'll change decades from now, but we're still quite a ways away from being in a post-scarcity society.

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I don't actually think your second point is correct on either a historical or practical level. Historically, humans had a lot of what would now be considered downtime, especially in certain societies. And practically, nothing actually "requires" that except for the fact that we've set up society in such a way to allow some people get to grow wildly wealthy on the backs on the labor of most of the people putting in th…

From what I recall, the Hadza (hunter gatherers of Tanzania) work ~6 hours a day. Sure, 8 hours a day is more, but same ballpark.

That six hours of work includes their commute and all of the household chores, so to speak, that we have to do in our off time.
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