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China’s all-seeing surveillance network

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Re: China’s all-seeing surveillance network

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I think this is a horrible idea. Just imagine how many times we have been wrong in our judgement of the behaviour of citizens. What would the social credit score of Ghandi or Martin Luther Kind have been, at the time of their prominent actions? We have proven time and time again that there is no sure way to judge how "social and acceptable" something is, and the value of a behaviour to our society. What is seen as "u…

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#13

> Every step she takes, every one of her actions big or small — even what she thinks — can be tracked and judged. [emphasis added] Can anybody shed upon how these Social Credit systems would be able to track what a person thinks ?

Facial expression recognition. I was talking with one big data analysis vendor who claimed they installed expression recognition software outside toilet stalls in the Dubai airport. If you exited the khazi with a disgusted expression, the system would recognize it and dispatch a cleanup crew.

They also claimed they could detect if students were bored in class and feed this info back to the teacher. Up next: thoughtcrime.

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post #13

> Every step she takes, every one of her actions big or small — even what she thinks — can be tracked and judged. [emphasis added] Can anybody shed upon how these Social Credit systems would be able to track what a person thinks ?

Facial expression recognition. I was talking with one big data analysis vendor who claimed they installed expression recognition software outside toilet stalls in the Dubai airport. If you exited the khazi with a disgusted expression, the system would recognize it and dispatch a cleanup crew. They also claimed they could detect if students were bored in class and feed this info back to the teacher. Up next: thoughtcr…

Amazing anecdotes.

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So much for chinese dominance as a superpower, they are really shooting themselves in the foot with even trying this.

Note that Soviet Union remained superpower for some 70 years after it shot itself to the foot with Ukraine famine. While I agree ultimately this will fail to produce a competitive society, it might take a long time before people will be able to change the things for the better.

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Thoughtcrime at its best.

The system wants to prevent the masses from thinking a different way, as the official way is.

This is 1984 and even better. By giving "credits" (gamification) the people are like the frog in the boiling water. When they recognize it, it is to late.

Is this the natural development of social media: Who does not conform to the masses, will be spit out by society?

Many dictators try to get their nations "in line" by using such tactics. "We are all one people -- we act as one people".

Is social media and gamification the solution for the wildest dreams of dictators?

Individualism must and will be killed in such a system. Only one Individuum can exist in the long run: The queen/king of the bee colony.

Re: China’s all-seeing surveillance network

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post #13

> Every step she takes, every one of her actions big or small — even what she thinks — can be tracked and judged. [emphasis added] Can anybody shed upon how these Social Credit systems would be able to track what a person thinks ?

Facial expression recognition. I was talking with one big data analysis vendor who claimed they installed expression recognition software outside toilet stalls in the Dubai airport. If you exited the khazi with a disgusted expression, the system would recognize it and dispatch a cleanup crew. They also claimed they could detect if students were bored in class and feed this info back to the teacher. Up next: thoughtcr…

I wouldn’t have lumped expression recognition with what one is thinking.

It’s feasible that a person could leave a toilet with a displeased expression while pondering some peculiar nuance of some specific domain of knowledge.

But maybe in this context you’re right, the article meant to refer to expression recognition.

Re: China’s all-seeing surveillance network

#20

I think this is a horrible idea. Just imagine how many times we have been wrong in our judgement of the behaviour of citizens. What would the social credit score of Ghandi or Martin Luther Kind have been, at the time of their prominent actions? We have proven time and time again that there is no sure way to judge how "social and acceptable" something is, and the value of a behaviour to our society. What is seen as "u…

Yes but saying "screw the government" on social media today, doesn't really matter if it's going to be applauded in the future, it's still going to be aimed at the government, which is the whole point of the system.
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