Tell that to my iPad 3, which got unusable just after one major iOS upgrade. So I'm a bit skeptical.
Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
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Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#12You know what helps products last longer and reduces waste at the same time?
Repairability.
The repairability of apple products is so poor that even Apple can't fix most of their own products without replacing surprisingly large portions of any given Apple device. End user repairability has been utterly neglected. Disassembly is frequently impossible without causing damage, and components such as batteries are frequently soldered on.
Are other manufacturers better? They used to be. Apple leads the way, and now the average phone is nearly as difficult to repair as an iPhone.
Hey, it's great that they managed to get iOS 12 to run on a 5S. It probably runs like an absolute dog, but it runs! Just wonderful. How easy is it for end-users to replace the battery in that off-warranty 5S? Oh. I see. Well, running iOS 12 on a 5S isn't so practical then, is it?
Repairability. I'll believe point #2 when Apple stops making every succeeding generation of their products harder for end-users to repair.
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#13I'll believe them when I see their products come with replaceable batteries and more expansion options, and they start selling parts on their site.
The battery is replaceable in most (all?) of their products, just not by the user. Battery service is sold on their site today.
I believe was asking for something akin to old Nokia phones.
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#14I'll believe them when I see their products come with replaceable batteries and more expansion options, and they start selling parts on their site.
The battery is replaceable in most (all?) of their products, just not by the user. Battery service is sold on their site today.
By that logic, the SoC is replaceable too, you just need a hot-air rework station, right?
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#15You know what helps products last longer and reduces waste at the same time? Repairability . The repairability of apple products is so poor that even Apple can't fix most of their own products without replacing surprisingly large portions of any given Apple device. End user repairability has been utterly neglected. Disassembly is frequently impossible without causing damage, and components such as batteries are frequ…
Repairability and packaging are always tradeoffs. You can build something where everything is integrated with everything else and you need to throw out half the phone if one component fails or you can build something with more modularity but it will be bigger/heavier for the same performance.
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#16I'll believe them when I see their products come with replaceable batteries and more expansion options, and they start selling parts on their site.
The battery is replaceable in most (all?) of their products, just not by the user. Battery service is sold on their site today.
After which the product will never be quite the same again. Sure it's usually good enough, but it'll never be quite as good as before, even when it's Apple doing the replacing.
With an actual removable battery that only becomes the case after dozens of battery replacements (see remote controls, torches, older phones etc).
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#17You know what helps products last longer and reduces waste at the same time? Repairability . The repairability of apple products is so poor that even Apple can't fix most of their own products without replacing surprisingly large portions of any given Apple device. End user repairability has been utterly neglected. Disassembly is frequently impossible without causing damage, and components such as batteries are frequ…
>Hey, it's great that they managed to get iOS 12 to run on a 5S. It probably runs like an absolute dog, but it runs!
People are actually reporting that iOS 12 runs faster than iOS 11.
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#18> After a long life of use, ensure that they are recycled properly. Anyone ever read about Apple's must-shred agreement[0] with recyclers? Is that what "properly" refers to here? > Ensure that Apple products last as long as possible. Anyone read about Apple's recent lawsuit[1] for planned obsolescence in iPhones? [0]: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/yp73jw/apple-recy... [1]: https://www.commondreams.org/ne…
Anyone read about Apple's recent lawsuit[1] for planned obsolescence in iPhones?
Please do not misrepresent this situation. It's a problem, but it's incredibly obvious that this is not "planned obsolescence" and it's dishonest to claim so.
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#19Tell that to Thinkpad users that can upgrade 15 years old second-hand Thinkpads with compatible parts bought from China (also apply to other notebooks).
How easy it is to change the faulty keyboard on a MacBook Pro?
Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible
#20You know what helps products last longer and reduces waste at the same time? Repairability . The repairability of apple products is so poor that even Apple can't fix most of their own products without replacing surprisingly large portions of any given Apple device. End user repairability has been utterly neglected. Disassembly is frequently impossible without causing damage, and components such as batteries are frequ…
> How easy is it for end-users to replace the battery in that off-warranty 5S? Oh. I see.
I did it in about 45 minutes the first time, and could do another in 20-30 minutes pretty easily.
It's now a 5-year old phone. 10 minutes labor per year is OK in my book.
How easy is it for end-users to replace the clutch in that off-warranty Civic? For that matter, how many people even change their own brakes (one of the easiest DIY tasks, IMO)?