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> Anything that stops people from making it about people rather than code is also good IMO. No, it doesn't, this Drupal story demonstrates that COC are useful to get rid of people one doesn't like because they somehow "hurt" somebody by doing something in their private life. https://www.inc.com/sonya-mann/drupal-larry-garfield-gor.htm...
The CoC clearly speaks about harassment and not about personal lifestyle choices. If you keep your private life to yourself you should be fine. Can a CoC be abused? Sure, if the community culture allows it. Does that possibility invalidate a CoC alltogether? Probably not. A CoC will codify allowed behaviour which decreases the freedom for some forms of expression, most of which were destructive in nature and wasting…
Linux's new CoC is a piece of shit
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Re: Linux's new CoC is a piece of shit
#12I can't see anything wrong with the Code of Conduct. Some people call it "toxic" and they are afraid of the "SWJs" taking over. This is only a problem if you try to loose focus on the quality of the work. Some argue that now that Linus realized how his communication is received sometimes, he will suddenly not be able anymore to tell people when shitty code is shitty. There are a billion ways to tell somebody their co…
Re: Linux's new CoC is a piece of shit
#13Re: Linux's new CoC is a piece of shit
#14I can't see anything wrong with the Code of Conduct. Some people call it "toxic" and they are afraid of the "SWJs" taking over. This is only a problem if you try to loose focus on the quality of the work. Some argue that now that Linus realized how his communication is received sometimes, he will suddenly not be able anymore to tell people when shitty code is shitty. There are a billion ways to tell somebody their co…
My objection to this code might be something in the line of "scope creep," or that it's "distracted," even though those aren't really the right words and might carry connotations I don't mean to imply. It feels like it's more about getting across a list of the ways it's possible to be Wrong On The Internet than it's about inspiring and instilling healthy and productive communication among adults.
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Here's an example: I'm a member of a 500-person volunteer force that collaborates online, and we only get together in person to do our thing ~7 days a year. A huge flamewar will break out in our online communication 3 or 4 times a year. The prevailing opinion is one I agree with, but I still find the people I agree with argue the points in a way that are toxic to the overall org. But I have yet to see a code of conduct that would stop or heal the damage they're doing.
My department is absent from those threads with a regularity that hasn't gone unnoticed. We didn't plan it nor do we have an internal explanation for how it came to be. But our department head has gotten positive remarks on it from other heads and it would be naive to say it doesn't help maintain our reputation and working relationships outside our team. We cultivate it now, but I'm trying to figure out what caused it in the first place so I can spread that elsewhere.
Re: Linux's new CoC is a piece of shit
#15I can't see anything wrong with the Code of Conduct. Some people call it "toxic" and they are afraid of the "SWJs" taking over. This is only a problem if you try to loose focus on the quality of the work. Some argue that now that Linus realized how his communication is received sometimes, he will suddenly not be able anymore to tell people when shitty code is shitty. There are a billion ways to tell somebody their co…
Re: Linux's new CoC is a piece of shit
#16I can't see anything wrong with the Code of Conduct. Some people call it "toxic" and they are afraid of the "SWJs" taking over. This is only a problem if you try to loose focus on the quality of the work. Some argue that now that Linus realized how his communication is received sometimes, he will suddenly not be able anymore to tell people when shitty code is shitty. There are a billion ways to tell somebody their co…
And if you dare to question that there are more than two genders then good by.
I'd be amazed if you somehow managed to question this and still make it related to the Linux kernel...
Re: Linux's new CoC is a piece of shit
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And if you dare to question that there are more than two genders then good by.
This is a silly statement. I'd be amazed if you somehow managed to question this and still make it related to the Linux kernel...
Re: Linux's new CoC is a piece of shit
#18I can't see anything wrong with the Code of Conduct. Some people call it "toxic" and they are afraid of the "SWJs" taking over. This is only a problem if you try to loose focus on the quality of the work. Some argue that now that Linus realized how his communication is received sometimes, he will suddenly not be able anymore to tell people when shitty code is shitty. There are a billion ways to tell somebody their co…
Re: Linux's new CoC is a piece of shit
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Anything that stops people from making it about people rather than code is also good IMO. No, it doesn't, this Drupal story demonstrates that COC are useful to get rid of people one doesn't like because they somehow "hurt" somebody by doing something in their private life. https://www.inc.com/sonya-mann/drupal-larry-garfield-gor.htm...
The CoC clearly speaks about harassment and not about personal lifestyle choices. If you keep your private life to yourself you should be fine. Can a CoC be abused? Sure, if the community culture allows it. Does that possibility invalidate a CoC alltogether? Probably not. A CoC will codify allowed behaviour which decreases the freedom for some forms of expression, most of which were destructive in nature and wasting…
Re: Linux's new CoC is a piece of shit
#20I can't see anything wrong with the Code of Conduct. Some people call it "toxic" and they are afraid of the "SWJs" taking over. This is only a problem if you try to loose focus on the quality of the work. Some argue that now that Linus realized how his communication is received sometimes, he will suddenly not be able anymore to tell people when shitty code is shitty. There are a billion ways to tell somebody their co…
In practice CoCs are never enforced symmetrically. Activists pushing for them will regularly attack "cis het men" and create a toxic environment without consequence.