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Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off
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Re: Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off
#12It's about fucking time. I personally stay away from software created by people who lack empathy; technical goodness !> creating a good environment and product for actual people. I don't go to restaurants run by douchebags either, no matter how good the food might be. And Git has the UX of software created by someone with no empathy. I hope Linus heals from this, and I hope the culture of the Linux community changes…
I'll bite, what makes a version control system empathetic?
Re: Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off
#13It's about fucking time. I personally stay away from software created by people who lack empathy; technical goodness !> creating a good environment and product for actual people. I don't go to restaurants run by douchebags either, no matter how good the food might be. And Git has the UX of software created by someone with no empathy. I hope Linus heals from this, and I hope the culture of the Linux community changes…
Downvoted, although your git UX comment made me smirk.
Re: Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off
#14Good for him
Re: Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off
#15Hopefully this will inspire leaders of other projects to realize that it's not okay to be a toxic jerk just because you're smart and in-charge and confident that you're right.
Re: Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off
#16A slowgoing development for him, still I sympathize and wish him the best while wondering ironically if personal issues aside what works best.
It brings to mind fundamental organizational and management. Is it better to have a "rude" organization? Calling bullshit early and often instead of polite everything is fine stacks of lies since it would be impolite to point out having O(N!) code just can't work for anything of appreciable size? The optimal approach likely varies on several variables.
Re: Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off
#17A slowgoing development for him, still I sympathize and wish him the best while wondering ironically if personal issues aside what works best. It brings to mind fundamental organizational and management. Is it better to have a "rude" organization? Calling bullshit early and often instead of polite everything is fine stacks of lies since it would be impolite to point out having O(N!) code just can't work for anything…
Can’t you blend them? In other words I’d love to work in an organization that can politely call bullshit early and often. It is possible to fundamentally disagree without making it personal.
Really good to see him acknowledge this and tackle it head on. I hope he gains a better perspective. Thank goodness for Linus and Linux!
Re: Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off
#18A slowgoing development for him, still I sympathize and wish him the best while wondering ironically if personal issues aside what works best. It brings to mind fundamental organizational and management. Is it better to have a "rude" organization? Calling bullshit early and often instead of polite everything is fine stacks of lies since it would be impolite to point out having O(N!) code just can't work for anything…
There’s a difference between negative feedback and being rude. The former is necessary when crappy work gets submitted, the latter drives people away before giving them a chance to improve. The way you phrased your question implies that there’s an exclusive choice to be made here, which is not the case.
How much toxicity a project can tolerate is in inverse proportion to how important it is, but every project has its limits no matter what.
I think this is a wise choice. Either Torvalds needs to figure out people better, or he needs to bring in a lieutenant who can handle people more effectively than he does.
Re: Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off
#19It's about fucking time. I personally stay away from software created by people who lack empathy; technical goodness !> creating a good environment and product for actual people. I don't go to restaurants run by douchebags either, no matter how good the food might be. And Git has the UX of software created by someone with no empathy. I hope Linus heals from this, and I hope the culture of the Linux community changes…
I'll bite, what makes a version control system empathetic?
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Re: Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off
#20Being combative rarely works out the way you want to, at least in my experience. That being said, it's still important to have standards beyond just empathy. I hope that Linus, and the Linux community can "do both" in some sense.