Article could very well be titled "Internet animal trade exposed in Thailand", but that would not be surfing the FB-hate wave.
Facebook animal trade exposed in Thailand
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Re: Facebook animal trade exposed in Thailand
#12Facebook doing unethical things again. What a surprise. If you think this is an accident, let me remind you that I’ve personally reported a lot of posts breaking their community guidelines and none of them were deleted. I would bet good money the offending posts were also reported plenty of times but no action was taken because it’s easier for FB to just close their eyes and pretend the problem doesn’t exist.
It’s that tug of war. When the Feds shut backpage because it was essentially a platform for illegal thigs, people were on the fence (buy it’s only a platform). Here, on the other hand where FB is merely incidental, sure, let the hammer comr down. Mind you, I’m not a fan of FBs at all, just pointing out what seens a discrepancy.
The thing is, I don't really mind if illegal things are happening on a dedicated platform. Users who are determined to break the law will break it anyway, so I don't care if they have a platform explicitly designed for doing so.
Having illegal things on a general-purpose platform is another thing. This can encourage a broad chunk of people to break the law, sometimes even unknowingly. This is way worse than the Backpage scenario.
Re: Facebook animal trade exposed in Thailand
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
You say it isn't facebook's fault and then go on to say they should be punished. Why should anyone be punished for something they didn't do?
I'm saying a lot of sites are punished, but Facebook is able to get through/away with it because of scale. It's very much a two-tier punishment system. Such a colossal platform is given leniency all around under the "we have too much content to police effectively" model.
most of it comes down to effective use of lawyers, not scale
although these things can be correlated, use of client-attorney privilege stonewalls a lot of pencil-pusher investigations and protects the entity from sanctions
Re: Facebook animal trade exposed in Thailand
#14Facebook doing unethical things again. What a surprise. If you think this is an accident, let me remind you that I’ve personally reported a lot of posts breaking their community guidelines and none of them were deleted. I would bet good money the offending posts were also reported plenty of times but no action was taken because it’s easier for FB to just close their eyes and pretend the problem doesn’t exist.
It’s that tug of war. When the Feds shut backpage because it was essentially a platform for illegal thigs, people were on the fence (buy it’s only a platform). Here, on the other hand where FB is merely incidental, sure, let the hammer comr down. Mind you, I’m not a fan of FBs at all, just pointing out what seens a discrepancy.
I imagine the discrepancy is because a lot of people think that sex work shouldn’t be illegal, and there are good reasons to think that shutting down sites like Backpage just makes things worse. Whereas here, most will probably say that this stuff should be illegal, and getting it banned from Facebook is probably an improvement.
Re: Facebook animal trade exposed in Thailand
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s that tug of war. When the Feds shut backpage because it was essentially a platform for illegal thigs, people were on the fence (buy it’s only a platform). Here, on the other hand where FB is merely incidental, sure, let the hammer comr down. Mind you, I’m not a fan of FBs at all, just pointing out what seens a discrepancy.
I imagine the discrepancy is because a lot of people think that sex work shouldn’t be illegal, and there are good reasons to think that shutting down sites like Backpage just makes things worse. Whereas here, most will probably say that this stuff should be illegal, and getting it banned from Facebook is probably an improvement.
Sex work is not the same as human trafficking —which was one of the things they were indicted for. Most people who are okay with consentual adult sex work are definitely not okay with human trafficking (and its implications)
Re: Facebook animal trade exposed in Thailand
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
I imagine the discrepancy is because a lot of people think that sex work shouldn’t be illegal, and there are good reasons to think that shutting down sites like Backpage just makes things worse. Whereas here, most will probably say that this stuff should be illegal, and getting it banned from Facebook is probably an improvement.
Sex work is not the same as human trafficking —which was one of the things they were indicted for. Most people who are okay with consentual adult sex work are definitely not okay with human trafficking (and its implications)
Right, but didn’t they shut down Backpage for their involvement with sex work, claiming that there were knockon effects for sex trafficking? I don’t think they were directly advertising trafficking.
Re: Facebook animal trade exposed in Thailand
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think if you don't allow selling of illegal stuff on FB then you reduce the customer size because the seller needs to find some less popular platform, this means less sales so less illegal activity. Police can track this people on the obscure/shady platforms if they want to catch them.
Nobody at facebook is saying to themselves "yup, keep the illegal stuff around, we need the numbers". That's such a farce, you clearly just have a hate-on for facebook. The article is about 12 facebook groups. Twelve! Wow. So many users. They absolutely can track the traffickers elsewhere, but they are here on facebook now and if the facebook groups go away, they need to find them again. That costs time and money. Is…
> Nobody at facebook is saying to themselves "yup, keep the illegal stuff around, we need the numbers".
Yet they left the illegal (and malicious) stuff up, and benefited financially from the inflated numbers.
Does it matter if that was literally said out loud, or not?
Re: Facebook animal trade exposed in Thailand
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think if you don't allow selling of illegal stuff on FB then you reduce the customer size because the seller needs to find some less popular platform, this means less sales so less illegal activity. Police can track this people on the obscure/shady platforms if they want to catch them.
Nobody at facebook is saying to themselves "yup, keep the illegal stuff around, we need the numbers". That's such a farce, you clearly just have a hate-on for facebook. The article is about 12 facebook groups. Twelve! Wow. So many users. They absolutely can track the traffickers elsewhere, but they are here on facebook now and if the facebook groups go away, they need to find them again. That costs time and money. Is…
Did you read the comment I replied too, the comment was advocating that we should allow illegal shit on FB because is easy to catch the criminals.