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JustSpotted (YC S08): Celebrity Geo-Stalking In Real-Time

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Re: JustSpotted (YC S08): Celebrity Geo-Stalking In Real-Time

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chegra wrote: post #3
gfodor wrote: post #2

These guys must sleep really soundly at night, knowing that they're using their various talents trying to make a quick buck off of invading the privacy of and in some cases likely endangering the safety of their fellow human beings. I realize that that sentence could arguably describe a number of mainstream startups. However, there's something more sinister and downright evil about this one in it's blatant disregard…

If it is legal and you can do it to make money, someone will. Why not these guys? You are hoping the millions of software engineer out there don't produce something like this? That is not going to happen. What you should be thinking of is ways to counteract such things. You can't just write code without sanitizing the input and don't expect somebody not test that you did. The same reasoning apply here, you should sta…

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Re: JustSpotted (YC S08): Celebrity Geo-Stalking In Real-Time

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Post by demallien »

chegra wrote: post #3
gfodor wrote: post #2

These guys must sleep really soundly at night, knowing that they're using their various talents trying to make a quick buck off of invading the privacy of and in some cases likely endangering the safety of their fellow human beings. I realize that that sentence could arguably describe a number of mainstream startups. However, there's something more sinister and downright evil about this one in it's blatant disregard…

If it is legal and you can do it to make money, someone will. Why not these guys? You are hoping the millions of software engineer out there don't produce something like this? That is not going to happen. What you should be thinking of is ways to counteract such things. You can't just write code without sanitizing the input and don't expect somebody not test that you did. The same reasoning apply here, you should sta…

Ow, I don't know why you're getting downvoted, the point seems reasonable to me.

Defences against this type of application do need to be developed, and not just for celebrities, but for all of us. What happens in 20 years time when all of those security cameras have been networked, and hooked up to processing centres capable of identifying individual humans from the images. We're all going to be under the surveillance hammer, and it's time to start thinking about how we are going to deal with that as a reality. To be clear, I'm thinking mostly about what happens when such a surveillance system is compromised by hackers/dishonest users of the system.

I'm thinking that defences are going to look something like a combination of a webcrawler to detect when your location is being diffused online, along with legal provisions that specifically punish this type of action. We need to start thinking about this stuff now, becuase it's going to take a long time to get the new laws in place, and I for one would much rather that the laws get written before I need them, not after...

Re: JustSpotted (YC S08): Celebrity Geo-Stalking In Real-Time

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Post by robryan »

gfodor wrote: post #2

These guys must sleep really soundly at night, knowing that they're using their various talents trying to make a quick buck off of invading the privacy of and in some cases likely endangering the safety of their fellow human beings. I realize that that sentence could arguably describe a number of mainstream startups. However, there's something more sinister and downright evil about this one in it's blatant disregard…

Even without the privacy it seems fairly useless, leaves the same taste in my mouth as late night infomercials trying to sell me the latest ab machine.

Re: JustSpotted (YC S08): Celebrity Geo-Stalking In Real-Time

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Post by arethuza »

demallien wrote: post #12
chegra wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it is legal and you can do it to make money, someone will. Why not these guys? You are hoping the millions of software engineer out there don't produce something like this? That is not going to happen. What you should be thinking of is ways to counteract such things. You can't just write code without sanitizing the input and don't expect somebody not test that you did. The same reasoning apply here, you should sta…

Ow, I don't know why you're getting downvoted, the point seems reasonable to me. Defences against this type of application do need to be developed, and not just for celebrities, but for all of us. What happens in 20 years time when all of those security cameras have been networked, and hooked up to processing centres capable of identifying individual humans from the images. We're all going to be under the surveillanc…

One defense would presumably to have coordinated publication of contrary data through multiple channels to an extent that the "real" data is drowned in a sea of noise.

Reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Execution_Channel where there is a blogger paid to post conspiracy theory nonsense by state security services to obscure the reality of various undercover operations.

Re: JustSpotted (YC S08): Celebrity Geo-Stalking In Real-Time

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Post by AlexMuir »

I've seen quite a bit of this - and even put considered developing a similar service (justseen.at - domain for sale).

The first problem is one of being perceived as invading privacy. This creates all sorts of follow-on problems - Apple won't allow you in the Appstore, Google Maps will likely withdraw your permission to use that (as I think happened to Gawker). There are ways around these, but it makes it a murky business and complicates bringing in revenue.

In the UK (where celebrity magazines are huge), Papture have been doing all they can on this. There's not much hope of an exit - mainstream celebrity magazines would probably worry about stepping over the line in acquiring something so intrusive.

Potential revenue sources that I saw were paid-for SMS alerts whenever a particular celebrity is spotted (imagine the number of teenies following Justin Bieber). And perhaps paid for accounts allowing real-time access, while everything else is delayed by 2 hours (for safety reasons).

In the end I decided it wasn't something I wanted to be involved with from a reputational standpoint.

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