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The Nuclear Power Plant of the Future May Be Floating Near Russia

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Re: The Nuclear Power Plant of the Future May Be Floating Near Russia

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It's a good idea. Afaik, naval nuclear power has a pretty good track record.

Who knows if that will continue for commercial power generation?

But at least it solves the stupid "perpetual one-off design" space nuclear power seems to have been stuck in. (Although I believe I read that at least France standardized all their reactor buildings?)

Re: The Nuclear Power Plant of the Future May Be Floating Near Russia

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>given the seeming importance of sobriety on such a vessel, have a drink at the bar.

if the journalists ever mentioned the "importance of sobriety on such a vessel" in the presence of the crew, i'm pretty sure it immediately became the next, right after "Za mirnyy atom!", popular drinking toast on that ship. "Nu! za osobuyu vazhnost trezvosti na yadernom reaktore." Amen.

These floating reactors aren't the future - you just don't want a potential Chernobyl delivered right to your city (just lookup the safety record of Russian nuclear submarines what these peaceful reactors are built after). These ships are a classic Russian solution (cheap, low tech simple/crude, without long-term thinking) to the typical Russian issue of lack of infrastructure at the time when climate change encourages and political situation pushes Russia to increase development in the North-East regions.

Re: The Nuclear Power Plant of the Future May Be Floating Near Russia

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post #11

It's a good idea. Afaik, naval nuclear power has a pretty good track record. Who knows if that will continue for commercial power generation? But at least it solves the stupid "perpetual one-off design" space nuclear power seems to have been stuck in. (Although I believe I read that at least France standardized all their reactor buildings?)

American naval nuclear power has an excellent record. Russian, not so much. Skimming this list, I’m inclined to use the word “horrendous”: http://spb.org.ru/bellona/ehome/russia/nfl/nfl8.htm#O5

Re: The Nuclear Power Plant of the Future May Be Floating Near Russia

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post #9

> "Rosatom plans to serially produce such floating nuclear plants, and is exploring various business plans, including retaining ownership of the reactors while selling the electricity they generate." No sane govt will allow a foreign power to literally be able to shutdown one of their cities on a whim. I think what the Russian Govt realized is that instead of building nuclear power plants, its going to be more profit…

Well the Australian government(s) aren't sane then. We've been privatizing our power plants for decades, and iirc some owned by Government owned Chinese enterprises. EDIT: For what it's worth. I don't have a problem with foreign ownership of the powerplants. But I do have a problem with privatization in a market without much competition.

ownership is different from actually having ops capabilities,

I do not think there is a button somewhere is Beijing that China can use to just turn off Australian power plant on Australian soil.

The most China can do to sell the asset and temporary depress its price.

Re: The Nuclear Power Plant of the Future May Be Floating Near Russia

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the Australian government(s) aren't sane then. We've been privatizing our power plants for decades, and iirc some owned by Government owned Chinese enterprises. EDIT: For what it's worth. I don't have a problem with foreign ownership of the powerplants. But I do have a problem with privatization in a market without much competition.

ownership is different from actually having ops capabilities, I do not think there is a button somewhere is Beijing that China can use to just turn off Australian power plant on Australian soil. The most China can do to sell the asset and temporary depress its price.

agreed

Re: The Nuclear Power Plant of the Future May Be Floating Near Russia

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> "Rosatom plans to serially produce such floating nuclear plants, and is exploring various business plans, including retaining ownership of the reactors while selling the electricity they generate." No sane govt will allow a foreign power to literally be able to shutdown one of their cities on a whim. I think what the Russian Govt realized is that instead of building nuclear power plants, its going to be more profit…

If that happened, the client government could nationalize the reactor and seize control of it. This would provoke a diplomatic incident, of course, but that'd be something for the two governments to sort out.

Or, less aggressively, they would retain enough reserve power generation capacity to replace the electricity. For example, have gas plants that can be spun up on demand if the nuclear reactors were shut off.

Either way, a government isn't going to be held ransom by Rosatom.

Re: The Nuclear Power Plant of the Future May Be Floating Near Russia

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post #9

> "Rosatom plans to serially produce such floating nuclear plants, and is exploring various business plans, including retaining ownership of the reactors while selling the electricity they generate." No sane govt will allow a foreign power to literally be able to shutdown one of their cities on a whim. I think what the Russian Govt realized is that instead of building nuclear power plants, its going to be more profit…

Well the Australian government(s) aren't sane then. We've been privatizing our power plants for decades, and iirc some owned by Government owned Chinese enterprises. EDIT: For what it's worth. I don't have a problem with foreign ownership of the powerplants. But I do have a problem with privatization in a market without much competition.

As others have said, ownership doesn’t precisely equal control, and certainly not in the way control can be exercised over one of these floating reactors. Also...

Well the Australian government(s) aren't sane then.

Yeah, hasn’t that been pretty well established in a myriad of other ways?

Re: The Nuclear Power Plant of the Future May Be Floating Near Russia

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the Australian government(s) aren't sane then. We've been privatizing our power plants for decades, and iirc some owned by Government owned Chinese enterprises. EDIT: For what it's worth. I don't have a problem with foreign ownership of the powerplants. But I do have a problem with privatization in a market without much competition.

ownership is different from actually having ops capabilities, I do not think there is a button somewhere is Beijing that China can use to just turn off Australian power plant on Australian soil. The most China can do to sell the asset and temporary depress its price.

As a vector for inserting software viruses ownership is second to none.

Re: The Nuclear Power Plant of the Future May Be Floating Near Russia

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> "Rosatom plans to serially produce such floating nuclear plants, and is exploring various business plans, including retaining ownership of the reactors while selling the electricity they generate." No sane govt will allow a foreign power to literally be able to shutdown one of their cities on a whim. I think what the Russian Govt realized is that instead of building nuclear power plants, its going to be more profit…

>How many tsunamis has one of their ships survived exactly

A tsunami in sufficiently deep water is basically imperceptible. It’s only a problem once the sea floor starts pushing the water up.

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