Oracle to charge for Java from Jan 2019 • Hacker News Board

Re: Oracle to charge for Java from Jan 2019

#11

Post by eripaha » Thu, Aug 09, 2018, 6:42 AM UTC

The long waited death of Java is finally here

Re: Oracle to charge for Java from Jan 2019

#12

Post by Nursie » Thu, Aug 09, 2018, 6:42 AM UTC

OK, but from what I can tell this isn't a fee for using java in a commercial setting, it's a fee for access to continued support/patching of Java 8.

Java 9 is out. Java 10 is out. I can see why oracle might want to cut down their support costs and retire their older versions more quickly.

However this will blow up in their faces if a lot of software gets exploited due to unpatched vulnerabilities.

Re: Oracle to charge for Java from Jan 2019

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Post by ShardPhoenix » Thu, Aug 09, 2018, 6:42 AM UTC

Note: this applies to new updates to Java 8, as a result of the upcoming Java 11 taking over as the LTS version. Oracle is not charging for Java in general.

As a result the headline and article come across as a bit FUDdy to me.

Re: Oracle to charge for Java from Jan 2019

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Aug 09, 2018, 6:42 AM UTC

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Re: Oracle to charge for Java from Jan 2019

#15

Post by _Codemonkeyism » Thu, Aug 09, 2018, 6:43 AM UTC

Poor journalism.

1. It's about EOL SE 8

2. "software running Java SE 8" - the article needs to be clear about Oracle Java, and Open JDK and others like Azul

Re: Oracle to charge for Java from Jan 2019

#16

Post by dmix » Thu, Aug 09, 2018, 6:43 AM UTC

What is a "named user plus"?

Re: Oracle to charge for Java from Jan 2019

#17

Post by BjoernKW » Thu, Aug 09, 2018, 6:44 AM UTC

That headline’s sensationalist and misleading. They’re going to charge for continued JDK 8 updates.

JDK (and JRE) 11 will be the latest version by then. Only companies which need or want to stay on the previous version will have to pay.

Re: Oracle to charge for Java from Jan 2019

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Post by jarym » Thu, Aug 09, 2018, 6:44 AM UTC

I don’t see anything wrong with charging commercial users for support of an old product.

I’m no fan of Oracle of their sales practices but the title is very misleading by omission

Re: Oracle to charge for Java from Jan 2019

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Post by dmix » Thu, Aug 09, 2018, 6:45 AM UTC

theoctopus wrote: post #7

sudhirj wrote: post #5

Isn't this heavily misleading? This still seems like the charges for continuing to use old versions of Java <= 8. The article doesn't confirm or deny that staying on the latest version remains free.

This is some _incredible_ clickbait. The latest JRE and JDK will continue to be free. What Oracle are charging for is continued Java 8 support.

What type of usage does Java 8 vs 9+ have in the real enterprise world? Isn't that still a significant amount of companies and applications?

Re: Oracle to charge for Java from Jan 2019

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Post by nimchimpsky » Thu, Aug 09, 2018, 6:47 AM UTC

Does anyone use these : "Java SE Advanced Desktop", "Java SE Advanced", "Java SE Suite" ?

I'd never heard of them until this announcement. The jdk, everything we develop and run on, is unaffected ?