I pressed j on the blog page and was upset that it didn't scroll down.
Where Vim Came From
11–20 of 265 posts
Re: Where Vim Came From
#12Though e-lisp is great and I appreciate the power and regularity of Emacs, Vi(m)'s mode-full, default cmd-mode editing that doesn't require ctrl + meta + esc left_foot_pedal + wink-wink-nudge-nudge... seems so much nicer to me than insert-by-default editing - thank goodness there are vim plugins everywhere. The TRS-80 Level II line editor was very much in the spirit of "em", along with other BASICs of the day. And pe…
I'm always kind of curious about comments like this -- it seems everybody knows you have to play games of Twister and hit twelve control keys simultaneously to do even the most basic things in Emacs. But... I use Emacs. I've been using it for almost twenty years. And I'm struggling to think of anything I use regularly the involves hitting more than two total keys simultaneously (keys pressed in sequence obviously don…
If it wasn't clear, it was hyperbole...
It's just my personal preference that in general I don't like using modifier keys at all, as I will often mangle things, especially when switching between keyboards. The major factor though is the basic approach -- command by default, insert is sub-function (vi), vs. insert by default, command is sub-function (emacs). (I like to fiddle around and use the j/k or -/enter to move around in the file while I'm thinking w/o entering anything into the buffer...)
I have respect for emacs die-hards - though I suppose that those who never leave and still do shell, email, news, web browsing, etc., from emacs are few and far between.
As a lisp fan, the best of both worlds for me would probably be an emacs vi-mode with lisp programability - but I can't depend on such a thing everywhere
Re: Where Vim Came From
#13I see MS-DOS is mentioned near the bottom, but the part I was most curious about was not. When I got my dad's old Windows 3.1 laptop somewhere around 1999, I discovered DOS and started fiddling with it, eventually discovering the "edlin" editor. Everyone else though it was bizarre and hard to use, but I really liked it because I could look at different parts of a file at the same time. The commands were similar to th…
> Does anyone know if it was another clone or just coincidence?
EDLIN was a clone of CP/M ED. Was CP/M ED influenced by Unix ed? I don't know, but I somewhat doubt it. Gary Kildall's primary background was in IBM mainframe and DEC minicomputer systems (in particular VM/CMS and TOPS-10), and so it seems to me more likely that CP/M ED was influenced by DEC or IBM line editors, than by Unix.
That said, Unix and IBM mainframe operating systems share some common heritage. Both were influenced by CTSS. So, it may be that any observed similarities between CP/M and Unix line editors could be due to that shared ancestry, rather than any direct influence of Unix on CP/M.
Re: Where Vim Came From
#14Though e-lisp is great and I appreciate the power and regularity of Emacs, Vi(m)'s mode-full, default cmd-mode editing that doesn't require ctrl + meta + esc left_foot_pedal + wink-wink-nudge-nudge... seems so much nicer to me than insert-by-default editing - thank goodness there are vim plugins everywhere. The TRS-80 Level II line editor was very much in the spirit of "em", along with other BASICs of the day. And pe…
I'm always kind of curious about comments like this -- it seems everybody knows you have to play games of Twister and hit twelve control keys simultaneously to do even the most basic things in Emacs. But... I use Emacs. I've been using it for almost twenty years. And I'm struggling to think of anything I use regularly the involves hitting more than two total keys simultaneously (keys pressed in sequence obviously don…
There's no single editor-personality. Some people hate vim default mode, they prefer emacs self-insert and accept the rest a 'sensical' gymnastics to do complex things.
With time you end up enjoying both way of life, I despise some ergonomics of emacs, and I really love the crystalling side of vi command systems (it's almost a tiny algebra of text sculpting).
but ..lisp. so emacs
Re: Where Vim Came From
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm always kind of curious about comments like this -- it seems everybody knows you have to play games of Twister and hit twelve control keys simultaneously to do even the most basic things in Emacs. But... I use Emacs. I've been using it for almost twenty years. And I'm struggling to think of anything I use regularly the involves hitting more than two total keys simultaneously (keys pressed in sequence obviously don…
The default undo binding in emacs (C-_) takes three keys (control, shift, hyphen). I use that quite a bit, but I don't find it burdensome. I also map control to the caps-lock key on my keyboard.
C-/ is also bound to undo. :)
Re: Where Vim Came From
#16Though e-lisp is great and I appreciate the power and regularity of Emacs, Vi(m)'s mode-full, default cmd-mode editing that doesn't require ctrl + meta + esc left_foot_pedal + wink-wink-nudge-nudge... seems so much nicer to me than insert-by-default editing - thank goodness there are vim plugins everywhere. The TRS-80 Level II line editor was very much in the spirit of "em", along with other BASICs of the day. And pe…
I'm always kind of curious about comments like this -- it seems everybody knows you have to play games of Twister and hit twelve control keys simultaneously to do even the most basic things in Emacs. But... I use Emacs. I've been using it for almost twenty years. And I'm struggling to think of anything I use regularly the involves hitting more than two total keys simultaneously (keys pressed in sequence obviously don…
Emacs really hurts my hands. Maybe evil mode is for me? I like lisp and want to learn emacs, but vim seems more elegant when you don't need to write anything yourself.
Re: Where Vim Came From
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm always kind of curious about comments like this -- it seems everybody knows you have to play games of Twister and hit twelve control keys simultaneously to do even the most basic things in Emacs. But... I use Emacs. I've been using it for almost twenty years. And I'm struggling to think of anything I use regularly the involves hitting more than two total keys simultaneously (keys pressed in sequence obviously don…
If it wasn't clear, it was hyperbole... It's just my personal preference that in general I don't like using modifier keys at all, as I will often mangle things, especially when switching between keyboards. The major factor though is the basic approach -- command by default, insert is sub-function (vi), vs. insert by default, command is sub-function (emacs). (I like to fiddle around and use the j/k or -/enter to move…
You want evil-mode.
Re: Where Vim Came From
#18Though e-lisp is great and I appreciate the power and regularity of Emacs, Vi(m)'s mode-full, default cmd-mode editing that doesn't require ctrl + meta + esc left_foot_pedal + wink-wink-nudge-nudge... seems so much nicer to me than insert-by-default editing - thank goodness there are vim plugins everywhere. The TRS-80 Level II line editor was very much in the spirit of "em", along with other BASICs of the day. And pe…
I'm always kind of curious about comments like this -- it seems everybody knows you have to play games of Twister and hit twelve control keys simultaneously to do even the most basic things in Emacs. But... I use Emacs. I've been using it for almost twenty years. And I'm struggling to think of anything I use regularly the involves hitting more than two total keys simultaneously (keys pressed in sequence obviously don…
Default bindings in spacemacs can get pretty long. E.g., the binding for `just-one-space` is `M-m x d `.
Re: Where Vim Came From
#19I don't think I could write an editor with regular expressions from scratch in a week. Especially if you took away the internet and 99% of my CPU and RAM. Fail.
Re: Where Vim Came From
#20I pressed j on the blog page and was upset that it didn't scroll down.
Thank god I'm not the only one who felt this way