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Re: Show HN: PJON v11.1 an independent, decentralized, open-source protocol

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Post by gioscarab »

detaro wrote: post #9
dozzie wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ciao dozzie, I have omitted "implementation" from the title because I thought that was obvious enough. It seems not. Keep the proper terminology. If you omit words left and right, it becomes incomprehensible garbage. > If you want to know what it does, read the specifications The whole point of README is to say what it does so I don't need to read specification that will be useless to me. > or at least the first se…

Immediately after the blurb is a section with key properties/selling points, which among other things explains the "multi-media" part. The wording of the description and readme isn't perfect (I suspect the author is not a native english speaker?), but it does contain the details necessary.

Ciao Detaro, thank you for your comment. Could you please point out the incosistencies you have found? I would be happy to fix that, yes I am not a native english speaker sadly :(

Re: Show HN: PJON v11.1 an independent, decentralized, open-source protocol

#12

Post by dozzie »

gioscarab wrote: post #8
dozzie wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ciao dozzie, I have omitted "implementation" from the title because I thought that was obvious enough. It seems not. Keep the proper terminology. If you omit words left and right, it becomes incomprehensible garbage. > If you want to know what it does, read the specifications The whole point of README is to say what it does so I don't need to read specification that will be useless to me. > or at least the first se…

"... is an Arduino compatible, multi-master, multi-media network protocol. It proposes a Standard, it is designed as a framework and implements a totally software emulated network protocol stack that can be easily cross-compiled on many architectures like ATtiny, ATmega, ESP8266, ESP32, STM32, Teensy, Raspberry Pi, Linux. It is a valid tool to quickly and comprehensibly build a network of devices". If this is a wall…

> "It is a valid tool to quickly and comprehensibly build a network of devices. Visit wiki and documentation to know more about the PJON Standard". If this is a wall of words that says nothing about what the project is for, we are not from the same universe.

Nope, this still does not say what it does and what to use it for. "Network" is a term used on several different levels of abstraction.

> [...] considering the amount of time and effort has been invested in docs and specs.

Well, you should probably invest even more effort in your README. What I thought is that it was a mind dump, given it carefully omits a description where would I want to use it and what for (you only use ambiguous terms with no concrete context, or at least ambiguous to somebody who does not wire a bucket of Arduinos pin-to-pin to each other).

Re: Show HN: PJON v11.1 an independent, decentralized, open-source protocol

#13

Post by gioscarab »

dozzie wrote: post #10
gioscarab wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Medium or media does not necessarily refer to an mp3 or a youtube video. See the original meaning of medium.

Of course it doesn't need to be audio nor video. It doesn't change the fact that you used a term that has more than one meaning without providing any context in which to interpret it. If somebody misreads it, then the problem is with your prose, not with the reader.

Which word would you suggest to use instead of "multi-media" to refer to this characteristic?

Re: Show HN: PJON v11.1 an independent, decentralized, open-source protocol

#14

Post by gioscarab »

dozzie wrote: post #12
gioscarab wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"... is an Arduino compatible, multi-master, multi-media network protocol. It proposes a Standard, it is designed as a framework and implements a totally software emulated network protocol stack that can be easily cross-compiled on many architectures like ATtiny, ATmega, ESP8266, ESP32, STM32, Teensy, Raspberry Pi, Linux. It is a valid tool to quickly and comprehensibly build a network of devices". If this is a wall…

> "It is a valid tool to quickly and comprehensibly build a network of devices. Visit wiki and documentation to know more about the PJON Standard". If this is a wall of words that says nothing about what the project is for, we are not from the same universe. Nope, this still does not say what it does and what to use it for. "Network" is a term used on several different levels of abstraction. > [...] considering the a…

I am sorry dozzie, did not want to be aggressive or dry, just I don't get what you mean. PJON works pretty much everywhere. The use you can do of PJON depends on your needs and the architecture that will execute it. In some cases PJON can be useful to "wire a bucket of Arduinos pin-to-pin to each other" but can also be used to create a virtual network computers running winx86, macosx or linux operating over the internet infrastructure. I think you would need some time to go through the available documentation and spec to have a clearer view of its features and limits.

Re: Show HN: PJON v11.1 an independent, decentralized, open-source protocol

#15

Post by dnautics »

gioscarab wrote: post #13
dozzie wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it doesn't need to be audio nor video. It doesn't change the fact that you used a term that has more than one meaning without providing any context in which to interpret it. If somebody misreads it, then the problem is with your prose, not with the reader.

Which word would you suggest to use instead of "multi-media" to refer to this characteristic?

Multi platform or "multiple media" are probably better terms. Sorry, english tech idioms are hard.

Re: Show HN: PJON v11.1 an independent, decentralized, open-source protocol

#16

Post by gioscarab »

gioscarab wrote: post #13
dozzie wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it doesn't need to be audio nor video. It doesn't change the fact that you used a term that has more than one meaning without providing any context in which to interpret it. If somebody misreads it, then the problem is with your prose, not with the reader.

Which word would you suggest to use instead of "multi-media" to refer to this characteristic?

Thank you for your support dnautics :)

Re: Show HN: PJON v11.1 an independent, decentralized, open-source protocol

#17

Post by StavrosK »

I used this once to have an Arduino and an ESP8266 communicate and I love it. I'm not great with C++, and I found the super simple implementation extremely helpful, as I could focus on what I wanted to do rather than have to wrestle with the protocol. The one-wire connection is similarly a boon to speed, since I don't need to connect a bunch of stuff up, I just connect one wire and that's it. The author was also very responsive, helping me immediately with a bug I found.

I definitely recommend it for most use cases, if you don't need a very high speed bus.

Re: Show HN: PJON v11.1 an independent, decentralized, open-source protocol

#18

Post by kahlonel »

dozzie wrote: post #2

Protocol cannot be open source . It can have a full specification published. A protocol does not have a source code, it's something that its implementation can have. Also, what the heck does it do? Neither README nor title says anything about that. The closest thing to such description is mentioning that it "supports multimedia", whatever that means.

I understood what the project is about as soon as I looked at the first para of README. I guess it takes some patience and some topic related knowledge to get the most of READMEs. You can't really expect the software authors to explain everything in a README, like their audience are 12 year olds.

Re: Show HN: PJON v11.1 an independent, decentralized, open-source protocol

#19

Post by plainOldText »

gioscarab wrote: post #3
dozzie wrote: post #2

Protocol cannot be open source . It can have a full specification published. A protocol does not have a source code, it's something that its implementation can have. Also, what the heck does it do? Neither README nor title says anything about that. The closest thing to such description is mentioning that it "supports multimedia", whatever that means.

Ciao dozzie, I have omitted "implementation" from the title because I thought that was obvious enough. It seems not. The project proposes both an independent research in defining a specification, and also an open-source implementation based on that specification. If you want to know what it does, read the specifications or at least the first sentences of the README :) "PJON® (Padded Jittering Operative Network) is an…

I think the OP’s critique of your README being vague is fair. Although judging from the downvotes, he comes across a little harsh.

Your README is needlessly abstract. It’s tantamount to saying you’ve invented a new wheel.

Well, wheels have all sorts of specifications, they're made of various materials, can have different weights, etc. They also have all sorts of use cases. From plastic wheels used in toys, rubber wheels used in cars, all the way to various wheels used for the construction of a rocket.

Although conceptually the wheel is an object that allows for easy rotation, you wouldn't use a plastic toy wheel for the construction, say of an automobile, would you? Also, not all wheels are used as rotary devices. Some can be used for just support.

Going back to your network protocol. What does this protocol allow one to do? What can it be used for? Be specific!

Re: Show HN: PJON v11.1 an independent, decentralized, open-source protocol

#20

Post by genericacct »

gioscarab wrote: post #13
dozzie wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it doesn't need to be audio nor video. It doesn't change the fact that you used a term that has more than one meaning without providing any context in which to interpret it. If somebody misreads it, then the problem is with your prose, not with the reader.

Which word would you suggest to use instead of "multi-media" to refer to this characteristic?

media-agnostic?
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