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Google Plans to Launch Censored Search Engine in China, Leaked Documents Reveal

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So what had fundamentally changed here? Is it just that China is a bigger market now? Did Google think they actually had enough leverage to get the Chinese to back down? Are the founders simply less idealistic than before?

The moral compass has shifted and Silicon Valley has learned to embrace censorship, at home and abroad.

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Too late... They will never overtake Baidu, who have leaks of Googles algorithm, more data to train AI on, government support, an existing (better) product in asian languages, and a massive userbase.

I'm sure they'll be able to overtake Baidu. Baidu's search product is terrible. The results are almost always unusable. The only times I find them useful is when it links to a quora-equivalent website where someone has asked your exact query.

However good or bad the product is, I would be very surprised if the Chinese government would allow Google to win significant market share against domestic companies. They might want Google in China for leverage, but they certainly wouldn't want them to be dominant.

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What does "censored" mean in this context? No anti-communist or anti-party propaganda? Personally I feel that Google has slowly become more and more censored over the recent years, to the point that I do searches on multiple search engines if I'm not so sure about the Google results. More than often there's not only a filter-bubble in my results, but there's more and more sites that suddenly disappeared over the year…

Means they will hide the same stuff Bing has and will hide more stuff as and when the gov tells them to. You want to be inside the firewall you need to be “legal”

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post #7

A tactically-'ethical' startup of the near future's motto: "Don't be Google".

It is definitely worse to have a startup phase with the motto "don't be evil" and then later remove it once they've got everyone's data.

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post #7

A tactically-'ethical' startup of the near future's motto: "Don't be Google".

It is definitely worse to have a startup phase with the motto "don't be evil" and then later remove it once they've got everyone's data.

Please do not spread misinformation. They never changed their motto.

https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html

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Wonder how Uber's experience in China will play out here -- people variously interpret it as state interference clearing the path for local competitors OR Didi being much better at meeting chinese cultural expectations for taxis.

This feels like a very different world than 1998 when G could launch an upstart search engine with 'free the world's information' in their DNA. in 1998 even in the tech bubble people still had no idea how the open web platform would be used. Now it's some combination of closed platform dominance, cookie farms, land grabs and spam.

Not surprising G is under pressure to play ball in china; the prevalence of android there (albeit in weird open forms sans G maps & tools) gives the government a geopolitical interest in tying some strings.

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This is so smart. I’m so happy for Alphabet. They seem to have recovered their mojo. Engagement not activism. I never understood why they held off so long but glad they finally respecting the host country and providing a service tailored to local needs rather than trying and failing to impose their perspective on a foreign nation. Happy.

In other news I find it hilarious FBs license was revoked in Hangzhou just now. Suck it. Hahaha.

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Why should there be a different standard for Google and other tech companies to not expand into China. If we have a problem with how their government works policy should be applied that prevents/manages how businesses subject to our laws operate abroad.

The majority of people don't really care how corporations behave. If they did Google search/gmail/maps would not be so popular. They have the right price point(0$) for people to ignore any moral misgivings they may have. I'm guilty of this and up to my neck in google services

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