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Credit-Card Backlash Mounts as Kroger Weighs Expanding Visa Ban

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Good? I hate the asinine secondary market of "points". Just don't take the money in the first place and then we don't have to sort out how I can reclaim it somehow.

So you hate getting something back for choosing one payment method over another when there's no indication that retail stores would lower their prices if credit cards (and their transaction fees) were wiped out?

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post #3

Good? I hate the asinine secondary market of "points". Just don't take the money in the first place and then we don't have to sort out how I can reclaim it somehow.

I've found it very difficult to try to explain this well to people who aren't financially/numerically-inclined. The latest fad in Canada seems to be Paytm, which lets you pay (among various bills), your property taxes with your credit card.

That’s available in many places in USA as well though everywhere I’ve seen charges a transaction fee which nets it negative for the consumer.

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've found it very difficult to try to explain this well to people who aren't financially/numerically-inclined. The latest fad in Canada seems to be Paytm, which lets you pay (among various bills), your property taxes with your credit card.

That’s available in many places in USA as well though everywhere I’ve seen charges a transaction fee which nets it negative for the consumer.

The only way to salvage this as a positive is to pay it with a new credit card and reap a very large signing bonus

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post #11
post #3

Good? I hate the asinine secondary market of "points". Just don't take the money in the first place and then we don't have to sort out how I can reclaim it somehow.

So you hate getting something back for choosing one payment method over another when there's no indication that retail stores would lower their prices if credit cards (and their transaction fees) were wiped out?

> there's no indication that retail stores would lower their prices

Competition will lead to that. It doesn't happen immediately, it happens in waves. These are called price wars. When that happens, they try to undercut competition at every possible turn, and having lower payment processing fees allows them to go lower. Who wins a price war? The consumer.

Yes: points are ridiculous. The fact that credit card fees are passed on to cash payers is ridiculous. Visa and Mastercard are absolutely minted. Where does that money come from? You and I.

(and: why does competition not work for Visa and Mastercard as well as it does for retailers? Because the feedback loop is much longer. Intractable, in practice. Choosing one retailer or the other is a clear signal we can send. But are we going to choose merchants based on payment processor support? As for merchants, they're stuck in an oligopoly. Competition is gone, leading to this unhealthy market.)

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post #11
post #3

Good? I hate the asinine secondary market of "points". Just don't take the money in the first place and then we don't have to sort out how I can reclaim it somehow.

So you hate getting something back for choosing one payment method over another when there's no indication that retail stores would lower their prices if credit cards (and their transaction fees) were wiped out?

At least those "$5.00 or $20.00 minimum for credit cards" signs that you see often in coffee places and bars will go away.

They are probably illegal (or against contracts) in most states, but you see them very often.

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In Denmark we have a national payment system called Dankort. All issued Visa cards also work as Dankort. Transaction fees on Dankort is one tenth of visa, and all payment terminals default to Dankort. This saves Danish retail a lot of money while still ensuring they we can buy stuff online and when traveling using visa.

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've found it very difficult to try to explain this well to people who aren't financially/numerically-inclined. The latest fad in Canada seems to be Paytm, which lets you pay (among various bills), your property taxes with your credit card.

That’s available in many places in USA as well though everywhere I’ve seen charges a transaction fee which nets it negative for the consumer.

What's the fee? Is it higher than the 2% cash back Citi gives you?

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post #3

Good? I hate the asinine secondary market of "points". Just don't take the money in the first place and then we don't have to sort out how I can reclaim it somehow.

The economics of it isn't just handing you your own money with a couple arbitrary hoops in the way. There's a portion of cross-subsidy from cash, debit, and low-rewards credit card payers, along with capturing some of the merchant's efficiency gains of using cards over cash (harder for employees to steal, no need for armored cars for cash pickups, etc).
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