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Why are libraries destroying books? (2002)

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Re: Why are libraries destroying books? (2002)

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One of my local libraries recently threw out a dumpster full of books. There was a minor public outcry at the desecration of literature. The books in the dumpster had all been on sale for the last year, priced at 10p (13 cents) each. Most of them hadn't been checked out for over a decade and some hadn't been checked out since the 1970s.

Sending books to be pulped is always sad, but the truth is that there are just too many books. A researcher doesn't gain a great deal of benefit from seeing an original paper copy; in most cases, they'd prefer a digital copy. Preserving paper is inherently more expensive than preserving microfiche or digital scans. Librarians love books, that's why they became librarians, but sometimes it's just not possible to justify the shelf space for something that nobody is ever likely to read.

Re: Why are libraries destroying books? (2002)

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They should’ve been donating the books to less fortunate libraries or education institutions.

The article is from 2002, as part of the man's PR to support his 2001 book published on the topic, which explains the fellow's curious fixation on 90s topics like microfiche and the elimination of card catalogs.

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One of my local libraries recently threw out a dumpster full of books. There was a minor public outcry at the desecration of literature. The books in the dumpster had all been on sale for the last year, priced at 10p (13 cents) each. Most of them hadn't been checked out for over a decade and some hadn't been checked out since the 1970s. Sending books to be pulped is always sad, but the truth is that there are just to…

You can't have an up-to-date library without pruning. I'm given to understand it's seen as an essential part of maintenace by librarians. Some time ago I recall having a discussion on this site about it -- I think somebody had posted a link to a set of guidelines for pruning.

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Recently donated some new philosophy books to my public library (A.C. Grayling Philosophy 1 & 2) but even in mint condition, and the library having almost no philosophy section, it still went to the 'bargain / to be sold cart'. I was told that all the books are managed by a private company, and the library doesn't really control what comes or goes - the company does. So any / all donations go straight to the cart, no matter what they are.

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They should’ve been donating the books to less fortunate libraries or education institutions.

This post is literally from yesterday.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17634079

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/07/micro...

"Microfilm machines haven’t been mined for their decontextualized parts, and they are not yet truly obsolete. The devices are still in widespread use, and their mechanical simplicity could help them last longer than any of the current electronic technologies."

Re: Why are libraries destroying books? (2002)

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One of my local libraries recently threw out a dumpster full of books. There was a minor public outcry at the desecration of literature. The books in the dumpster had all been on sale for the last year, priced at 10p (13 cents) each. Most of them hadn't been checked out for over a decade and some hadn't been checked out since the 1970s. Sending books to be pulped is always sad, but the truth is that there are just to…

> Sending books to be pulped is always sad, but the truth is that there are just too many books.

Often it's not obsolete books that are destroyed, where there might be 1,000 other copies out there, but one-of-a-kind archival records:

>> The core of the book recounts Baker's attempt, in 1999, to persuade the British Library not to junk more than 2,000 bound volumes of American newspapers - the last remaining copies in the world - including a complete run of the Chicago Tribune from 1888 to 1958 and hundreds of editions of Joseph Pulitzer's ground-breaking colour broadsheet of the 1890s, the New York World.

> A researcher doesn't gain a great deal of benefit from seeing an original paper copy; in most cases, they'd prefer a digital copy. Preserving paper is inherently more expensive than preserving microfiche or digital scans.

Maybe now, but preservation isn't about now, it's about the distant future. Paper is one of the few storage mediums that has proven longevity and also requires no special reading hardware. Microfiche is probably OK (there was an article recently that stated it could lat 500 years), but I'd dispute strongly that "preserving paper is inherently more expensive than preserving ... digital scans." Digital data requires massive amounts of infrastructure to be usable (hardware, software, storage media, and reading hardware), and the rapid pace of change of that infrastructure means that enormous, continuous efforts must be made to keep it readable in the future. Seal a newspaper up in a wall and it'll still be readable in 100 years. If you stop your digital preservation efforts for that long, you've lost everything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_preservation

Re: Why are libraries destroying books? (2002)

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It's interesting that one of the ideas this article criticizes is a harebrained combination of closed-circuit television and a "pneumatic page turner", intended to allow readers to study a book in a library many miles away so that only one copy would need to be kept.

Yet, I think this basic idea was implemented in the digital realm by iTunes (or someone else) in recent years so that each person would not individually need their own copy of some music file. Instead, they would just stream it from an iTunes server.

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One of my local libraries recently threw out a dumpster full of books. There was a minor public outcry at the desecration of literature. The books in the dumpster had all been on sale for the last year, priced at 10p (13 cents) each. Most of them hadn't been checked out for over a decade and some hadn't been checked out since the 1970s. Sending books to be pulped is always sad, but the truth is that there are just to…

> Sending books to be pulped is always sad, but the truth is that there are just too many books. Often it's not obsolete books that are destroyed, where there might be 1,000 other copies out there, but one-of-a-kind archival records: >> The core of the book recounts Baker's attempt, in 1999, to persuade the British Library not to junk more than 2,000 bound volumes of American newspapers - the last remaining copies in…

I agree with this - I think there is a lot of value in having hard-copies, if just for the ability to walk through the shelves and pick something up. I know most people don't do this, I know it's not cost effective, but I have walked through my University's library and picked up a random book here and there.

It's kind of the same with pictures. Most of the people I know have thousands of pictures on their phone - most of which they will never, ever look through.

Re: Why are libraries destroying books? (2002)

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The University of Texas at Austin seems to put a lot in storage instead of throwing it out. But they have thrown things I am interested in out before. I recall checking the catalog for a well known journal which has been entirely digitized. Unfortunately a plot that had data I wanted was illegible, so I went to scan the plot. Apparently they had just thrown out the journal a day or so before I arrived and had not updated the catalog to reflect that yet. I was very confused as there was nothing at all where the journal should have been. Fortunately a librarian was able to figure out what happened. I can recall them saying "I knew something like this would happen..." I eventually got a scan via interlibrary loan.

Re: Why are libraries destroying books? (2002)

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One of my local libraries recently threw out a dumpster full of books. There was a minor public outcry at the desecration of literature. The books in the dumpster had all been on sale for the last year, priced at 10p (13 cents) each. Most of them hadn't been checked out for over a decade and some hadn't been checked out since the 1970s. Sending books to be pulped is always sad, but the truth is that there are just to…

They should try to give the books away for free before chucking them out, no?

The word "free" eliminates an irrational roadblock (13c is basically free but still offers a hurdle) and if one person reads something interesting as a result, then it's a win.

Also, they could box them up and offer each box off for 25c, thus offloading the responsibility of discarding the books onto individuals and preserving the notion of a library as a sanctuary for books.

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