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The last thing libraries need is Silicon Valley “disruption.”

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Re: The last thing libraries need is Silicon Valley “disruption.”

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I'm sick of people going after things they don't use or understand that are valuable to people of lesser means while spewing the efficiencies of the free market. Amazon only makes as much money as it does because it manages to avoid paying tax while utilizing the infrastructure built and maintained by collecting taxes.

But hey, drones will solve the road use problem!

Re: The last thing libraries need is Silicon Valley “disruption.”

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I'm largely in agreement with this Vox piece, but I think there's much more to say in defense of libraries as well.

I have a friend who found a red envelope with some money in it in a book that he'd checked out of the library. He figured it belonged to whoever had checked the book out earlier, so he went into the branch and mentioned it. They said that they could find out the last person to read the book, but no more than that, because by and large, librarians (at least in that system) deliberately avoided keeping long term records of what people are reading, to safeguard privacy rights.

Can you imagine Netflix or Amazon, Google or Facebook behaving this way? Could be that I'm from an older generation, but there was a time when people considered the idea of an institution having a long and complete list of everything you've read more than creepy, it was terrifying. Add in cell phone tracking devices that show where we are, map apps that show where we go at what time and what routes we take, commence sites that show what we buy and consider buying. You know for a while there it was impossible to remove a film from your recently watched list on Netflix? (the tech advice was to just select a bunch of stuff randomly and bury it deep if you didn't want it sitting there for everyone else to see the next day).

Libraries don't play nearly as much of a role in making sure that people can access information privately as they used to, they've been shoved out of the way, but they were far more principled guardians of it than tech companies (I mean, night and day, they were guardians, tech companies are rapacious violators of this principle).

Re: The last thing libraries need is Silicon Valley “disruption.”

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Why would anyone put Amazon and a library in the same sentence is beyond me, let alone contrast and compare them then argue against libraries. The Forbes editorial in question should be publicly displayed in all libraries as an example of poor judgment and lack of civility. Bizzare.

Re: The last thing libraries need is Silicon Valley “disruption.”

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If you think libraries are useless, try going to one a few times and talk to the staff about the services they provide. I'd personally say libraries are one of the government organizations with the best return on investment, because education and information are almost invaluable. I'll fight a war over libraries, no joke.

Last time I read a library-related discussion on HN, one of the sentiments expressed was basically ”I download ebooks, why would anyone need a library?” Boggles the mind. There was also a bizarre comment about libraries being only funded to keep a bunch of otherwise useless civil servants employed.

>”I download ebooks, why would anyone need a library?”

Pretty much the tech version of

"I am a W.A.S.P., I pretend everybody that has different economic, social, and cultural differences from me doesn't exist"

Re: The last thing libraries need is Silicon Valley “disruption.”

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So Forbes takes the op-ed down and says:

“Forbes advocates spirited dialogue on a range of topics, including those that often take a contrarian view,” a Forbes spokesperson says in a statement. “Libraries play an important role in our society. This article was outside of this contributor’s specific area of expertise, and has since been removed.” [0]

Forbes op-ed's are filled to the brim with people speculating about things that are not their specific area of expertise and yet none of it is removed. I think this article was supposed to be a submarine [1] which went viral in a negative context and so has been quickly swept away.

[0] https://qz.com/1334123/forbes-deleted-an-op-ed-arguing-that-...

[1] http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html

Re: The last thing libraries need is Silicon Valley “disruption.”

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If you think libraries are useless, try going to one a few times and talk to the staff about the services they provide. I'd personally say libraries are one of the government organizations with the best return on investment, because education and information are almost invaluable. I'll fight a war over libraries, no joke.

> because education and information are almost invaluable Citation needed.

> Citation needed.

Ask a librarian.

Re: The last thing libraries need is Silicon Valley “disruption.”

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The best thing a library can do in this day and age is support something like Overdrive, which lets people with a library card digitally rent books to deliver to their Kindle or E-reader. Mine fortunately does, and despite the limited selection, it's great: I can check stuff out without even leaving home. The "books" are automatically returned after the check-out period.

That's it. If Silicon Valley wants to help, they can work on enhancing the technology that allows stuff like that to work. If they want to replace a bedrock of this country's public services with private, for-profit infrastructures, they can go pound sand.

Re: The last thing libraries need is Silicon Valley “disruption.”

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Personally, I cannot fathom finding it preferable, or even acceptable, for Amazon to attempt to displace my local library; Much like bookstores, there's an essential soul to them any corporate invader like Amazon lacks utterly. I have fond memories of summers spent trawling the stacks, afternoons at a table with friends working on homework, DnD sessions in the private meeting rooms, and browsing old stock auctions fo…

Expenditure of public money on an endeavor should not be driven by romantic notions like whether something has "essential soul." Tax money is a scarce resource. Money that's spent on libraries is tax money that's not available to offer better lunches to needy children. That's the calculus.

Our county library system gets $22 million a year in tax dollars to service 2.4 million visits. Could Amazon meet those needs more cheaply? If so, that is a win.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because education and information are almost invaluable Citation needed.

> Citation needed. Ask a librarian.

Isn't this like asking a cosmetic surgeon if you need a nose job?

Re: The last thing libraries need is Silicon Valley “disruption.”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because education and information are almost invaluable Citation needed.

> Citation needed. Ask a librarian.

Is a librarian going to give me sound statistical research, or regurgitate shibboleths about the importance of education?
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