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We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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maybe it's just fakenews for you, but I've watched the video and decided that Obama saying: "stay woke b ches", is the reality I want to fucking live in.

on a serious note, it raises a lot of questions for forensics & anyone currently relying on the assumption that CCTV footage is enough proof in court. Considering how many IP cameras are already on shodan this is worrying for a many of reasons https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17525443

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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I suspect it will be quite confusing for a while; but once people have been cheated a few times because of faked video it will become something else. We will all start picking up on peoples kinematics and timing. There is an opportunity for some type of chain of custody app that guarantees the integrity of footage from camera to screen...

We will all start picking up on peoples kinematics and timing.

A small percentage will, but just like text-based fake news, most people will fall for it, every single time.

Remember, fake video news that reinforces your world view will be so much easier to believe, just like with text-based news, than the truth.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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post #4

I suspect it will be quite confusing for a while; but once people have been cheated a few times because of faked video it will become something else. We will all start picking up on peoples kinematics and timing. There is an opportunity for some type of chain of custody app that guarantees the integrity of footage from camera to screen...

> I suspect it will be quite confusing for a while; but once people have been cheated a few times because of faked video it will become something else.

You're only half-right here. People will quickly wise up to fake video, but that will just make everything worse: every video that confirms their worldview will be seen as totally legit, every video contradicting it will be "fake", just like what has already happened with text news. Your hypothetical chain of integrity between camera and screen won't put a dent in that conviction.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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I think the risk is inversely proportional to how famous the person is. A political figure or celebrity will likely have the resources and publicly available metadata to show a video is fake beyond a reasonable doubt.

I’d be more concerned to see manufactured outrage having some random supporter saying/acting bad to someone on the other team, inciting the Twitter swarms to descend- by the time they dox the individual it’s too late for that person to go back to their normal life.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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I don't think we're underestimating it at all, but we are simply already overwhelmed by fake text-based news like Twitter and websites/newspapers, as well as TV news shows spouting falsehoods. While fake video is surely going to be coming down the pipeline and will make things worse, the current issues are already terrible. Just looking at the 2016 US election, for instance, it was found that multiple fake stories we…

Certain types of elites will fight against education for this very reason. It erodes their control.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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FWIW, all audio/video communication technologies have been some what comically overestimated in their abilities. Two examples:

- Henry Ford, believing that since “sight” was the universal language, movies (along with airplanes) would unite all people and places - Many people who believed television was so captivating when it first started to be introduced in the late 20s and early 30s, that it would replace nearly all books and teachers in schools

I think people adapt really well to technologies more than we give them credit for. Of course the first few years lots of scams and dangers can arise, but they are figured out somewhat quickly by the powers that be.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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I find it amusing that we're worried about the potential of fake video/audio. Like everything would be just be fine if it weren't for that possibility.

Deep fakes haven't really shown up in the wild as a significant threat and we already have large swaths of society that can't agree on the truth. Certainly fake media isn't going to help any, but folks, we're ALREADY fucked.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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I think the risk is inversely proportional to how famous the person is. A political figure or celebrity will likely have the resources and publicly available metadata to show a video is fake beyond a reasonable doubt. I’d be more concerned to see manufactured outrage having some random supporter saying/acting bad to someone on the other team, inciting the Twitter swarms to descend- by the time they dox the individual…

You can't disprove a negative.

If it's technically indistinguishable, I can't see a valid line of attack against it.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Questioning the authenticity of records (be they second hand accounts of events, paper documents or 1s and 0s) has been the norm since it became common for people other than royals and clergy to be able to read and write. Jefferson and Adams would not find the concept of "fake news" foreign at all. The sophistication of the authentication mechanism for a document usually has to do with the use case. Official letterhead was good enough for most important routine correspondence. Birth certificates get stamped. Money has fairly sophisticated anti-counterfeiting features.

We'll remember the late 20th and early 21st century as the exception to the rule because during that time period if there was an audio/video recording of something you could be reasonably assured that it was legit. That won't be the case going forward. Audio and video will become a free for all like every other medium.

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