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European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case
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Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case
#12Can anyone concisely explain what this fine is for, and also why the same wouldn't apply to Apple for iOS? It seems to be a rehash of the issue that Microsoft faced when it only gave you Internet Explorer on install. But iOS comes with only Safari on install, and forces you to use Apple's various apps - how is this any different?
Apple does not have a monopoly dominant position. In my country I think they are like 10% of the market. You can't abuse your dominant position if you don't have one.
In my country, iOS are more than 50% of the market. I haven't been able to find any EU-wide numbers though, which are the important ones in this case.
Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case
#13Can anyone concisely explain what this fine is for, and also why the same wouldn't apply to Apple for iOS? It seems to be a rehash of the issue that Microsoft faced when it only gave you Internet Explorer on install. But iOS comes with only Safari on install, and forces you to use Apple's various apps - how is this any different?
apple doesn't have market dominance, thats the claim, anyway this fine is stupid, see my comment about how volkswagen only paid 1 billion to germany for its emissions scam, europe is just trying to siphone money from american tech companies.
Apples and oranges. Different violations, different markets, different market shares and different revenues make for different fines.
Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case
#14Archive (non-paywall) copy: http://archive.is/JpjEI
Doing god's work, thank you.
Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case
#15Can anyone concisely explain what this fine is for, and also why the same wouldn't apply to Apple for iOS? It seems to be a rehash of the issue that Microsoft faced when it only gave you Internet Explorer on install. But iOS comes with only Safari on install, and forces you to use Apple's various apps - how is this any different?
Apple does not have a monopoly dominant position. In my country I think they are like 10% of the market. You can't abuse your dominant position if you don't have one.
Android does not have a monopoly either. You can buy an iPhone.
Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case
#16Can anyone concisely explain what this fine is for, and also why the same wouldn't apply to Apple for iOS? It seems to be a rehash of the issue that Microsoft faced when it only gave you Internet Explorer on install. But iOS comes with only Safari on install, and forces you to use Apple's various apps - how is this any different?
apple doesn't have market dominance, thats the claim, anyway this fine is stupid, see my comment about how volkswagen only paid 1 billion to germany for its emissions scam, europe is just trying to siphone money from american tech companies.
Let's talk about 'stupid' again once US tech giants start paying appropriate taxes on their profits generated in Europe without siphoning them off.
Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case
#17To put that into context: > Despite being a record fine, Alphabet generated about the same amount of money every 16 days in 2017, based on the company’s reported annual revenue of $110.9 billion for the year.
They should compare with profits, revenue has costs.
Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple does not have a monopoly dominant position. In my country I think they are like 10% of the market. You can't abuse your dominant position if you don't have one.
Android does not have a monopoly either. You can buy an iPhone.
I used the wrong term, I meant "dominant position". Google has one with Android and they abuse it. That's why they are being fined.
Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case
#19To put that into context: > Despite being a record fine, Alphabet generated about the same amount of money every 16 days in 2017, based on the company’s reported annual revenue of $110.9 billion for the year.
Don't you have to compare it with profits ? Also, most of the $$ comes from other places, no ?
Re: European Commission fines Google €4.34B in Android antitrust case
#20To put that into context: > Despite being a record fine, Alphabet generated about the same amount of money every 16 days in 2017, based on the company’s reported annual revenue of $110.9 billion for the year.
A fine comes out of your profits, not your revenue. From a Routers[1] source they had $110.9 billion in revenue, but a profit of $12.6 billion. So this is somewhere between a third and half of their global profits.
1. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-alphabet-results/alphabet...