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LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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SAP was, and will always stay, a mystery to me.

It is ridiculously expensive and complex. I know that the problems it aims to solve are also highly complex and very specific, but reading stories like this, plus (if you live in Germany and work in the IT industry) sometimes hearing unbelievable stories from your peers, it always confuses me that companies still want so much SAP.

In the late 90s/early 00s a lot of people had seemingly infinite trust in IBM. Maybe the same logic applies here as well.

Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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This is so unacceptable yet happens so often. Here in the Netherlands the government has several projects that failed with costs amounting to hundreds of millions. For sums as these any Organisation can just setup a more capable development company that could handle all of the internal projects and its developers could be top of the line.

Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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> Software from the Walldorf-based software company SAP was to be adapted to the needs of Lidl. So far, however, the new system has only been introduced in the small agencies in Austria, Northern Ireland and the USA. It has been shown that the SAP version developed by over one hundred IT specialists is not suitable for high-turnover countries.

I realize these words are not directly from the company and I am reading them through Google translate, but I do think they accurately reflect what makes these implementations work or not. If you are getting into SAP and "adapting it to your needs" then you will almost certainly fail.

Scenario: I am implementing SAP's invoice approval workflow in a company that already has an invoice approval workflow that a former CFO designed quickly after a problem a few years earlier. Its worked fine.

Companies who are successful implementing SAP: "I mean SAP's workflow makes sense, is already implemented, works for much larger companies, and has no bearing on our core business, so lets just switch to that.

Companies who fail at implementing SAP: "Lets hire some consultants to adapt SAP to our needs"

Source: I did process flows in preparation for SAP implementations in the late 2000s.

Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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SAP was, and will always stay, a mystery to me. It is ridiculously expensive and complex. I know that the problems it aims to solve are also highly complex and very specific, but reading stories like this, plus (if you live in Germany and work in the IT industry) sometimes hearing unbelievable stories from your peers, it always confuses me that companies still want so much SAP. In the late 90s/early 00s a lot of peop…

Using services from big name companies is (half) the corporate world version of an expensive fashion item/fancy car and half "wanting someone to sue in case things go wrong".

Except an expensive fashion item doesn't ruin your ability to do your job and is still probably cheaper in relative scales.

Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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This is so unacceptable yet happens so often. Here in the Netherlands the government has several projects that failed with costs amounting to hundreds of millions. For sums as these any Organisation can just setup a more capable development company that could handle all of the internal projects and its developers could be top of the line.

This specific case, though, is totally acceptable : Lidl is a company in a market with great opportunities for competition. If this decision was a waste of money, a smaller , SAPless company can come and eat their lunch.

The Dutch government is a very different story. Until we have a few parallel governments between which we can easily choose , without having to uproot our entire lives, it is a pathetic waste of tax payer money. I dream sweet dreams of accountability and proper incentive structures for government and public servants.

One day.

Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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That is an unbelievable amount of money to waste on a cancelled project. It's funny how these turn into an ego thing for the project owner. If the person in charge has good links and reputation, they can keep getting funding year on year, even when the project has gone bad. Usually they are good talkers, but bad executors and have been at a firm for a significant number of years (so people think twice about firing th…

Looks like they canceled it in the testing phase and noticed it simply didn't work or under performed. With those very expensive consultant hires (SAP is notoriously expensive, both licensing and consulting) it might have been cheaper to cancel it outright then to dragging it along. I applaud their idea to do it in house as they are big enough to have IT/Supply line software as a core principle which can save you money in the end, and not as an external expense which is just an annoyance.

Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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post #7

That is an unbelievable amount of money to waste on a cancelled project. It's funny how these turn into an ego thing for the project owner. If the person in charge has good links and reputation, they can keep getting funding year on year, even when the project has gone bad. Usually they are good talkers, but bad executors and have been at a firm for a significant number of years (so people think twice about firing th…

I think it has to with peoples inherent lack of discounting sunk costs. “We have already spent X amount. We must make sure it isn’t wasted, so let’s spend Y more and see if that’ll fix it”. At least they pulled the plug.

Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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SAP was, and will always stay, a mystery to me. It is ridiculously expensive and complex. I know that the problems it aims to solve are also highly complex and very specific, but reading stories like this, plus (if you live in Germany and work in the IT industry) sometimes hearing unbelievable stories from your peers, it always confuses me that companies still want so much SAP. In the late 90s/early 00s a lot of peop…

I don't know much about SAP besides the fact that I don't think I've ever heard anything positive about it (but then again, nobody talks about the trains that are on time). I always assumed that it was a "nobody gets fired for choosing SAP" situation. It's huge, it might be clunky but you know that if you pay for the support it'll probably end up doing mostly what you want and it'll mostly keep working. The alternatives would be either using a less popular solution or creating one in-house but in both cases you're taking additional risks even if it might pay off in the end if everything goes right.

It's the same situation with Oracle, Microsoft Windows and countless other "corporate" software solutions. If you look at it from a hacker point of view it makes no sense, it's ridiculously expensive, it's often overkill, it's not elegant, you could do the same thing for 1% the cost and it'd work better etc... Now if you look at it from the point of view of a company that needs something that will work 100% by a given deadline and you want somebody you can yell at if it doesn't (and you want to know they'll still be here 6 months from now) it makes total sense.

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