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India: Google engineer latest victim of mob lynchings fueled by WhatsApp rumors

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Re: India: Google engineer latest victim of mob lynchings fueled by WhatsApp rumors

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This reminds me of the “Foxconn suicides” story... sure the absolute numbers were high, but Foxconn has like a million employees, so the suicide rate was actually completely “normal”. > 25 people have been killed since May So 150 people per year, or 0.000015% of India’s population. Sure, it’s a problem, but I’m pretty sure there are bigger problems that are easier to solve (rape and acid attacks come to mind).

According to the article, it's 25 people having being killed since the beginning of the year because of misinformation spread through whatsapp. It seems like it should be a big deal for the company.

Re: India: Google engineer latest victim of mob lynchings fueled by WhatsApp rumors

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post #5

This reminds me of the “Foxconn suicides” story... sure the absolute numbers were high, but Foxconn has like a million employees, so the suicide rate was actually completely “normal”. > 25 people have been killed since May So 150 people per year, or 0.000015% of India’s population. Sure, it’s a problem, but I’m pretty sure there are bigger problems that are easier to solve (rape and acid attacks come to mind).

> So 150 people per year, or 0.000015% of India’s population.

This is an enormous and completely baseless leap. Why would you ever assume that the rate of killings is constant? What makes you think these killings aren't part of a rapidly growing phenomenon of social-media driven violence?

Re: India: Google engineer latest victim of mob lynchings fueled by WhatsApp rumors

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post #4

The solutions provided seem quite poor. What whatsapp needs is a reporting button for hoaxes and disturbing content…

And do what, exactly? What do you do once a user reports me as relaying fake news? Ban me?

I strongly disagree. I am responsible for my actions. If I kill someone, I can’t say “well, I thought this man ate beef”.

This is a law and order problem and not something we can fix from outside India.

Re: India: Google engineer latest victim of mob lynchings fueled by WhatsApp rumors

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It's great WhatsApp took steps to prevent the spread of false information but that isn't the root of the problem. The root of the problem is of a cultural nature. At present there is no law that criminalises mob killings. For that reason, the perpetrators are often not prosecuted by the police. A law that makes clear mob killings are unacceptable would go a long way in changing the cultural stance towards such acts.…

>At present there is no law that criminalises mob killings

Surely you're joking?

Re: India: Google engineer latest victim of mob lynchings fueled by WhatsApp rumors

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post #8
post #5

This reminds me of the “Foxconn suicides” story... sure the absolute numbers were high, but Foxconn has like a million employees, so the suicide rate was actually completely “normal”. > 25 people have been killed since May So 150 people per year, or 0.000015% of India’s population. Sure, it’s a problem, but I’m pretty sure there are bigger problems that are easier to solve (rape and acid attacks come to mind).

Similarly, one could ask if this is something new? Or have WhatsApp merely replaced another media platform.

It has replaced SMS. These issues have existed for a while.

Re: India: Google engineer latest victim of mob lynchings fueled by WhatsApp rumors

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post #13
post #5

This reminds me of the “Foxconn suicides” story... sure the absolute numbers were high, but Foxconn has like a million employees, so the suicide rate was actually completely “normal”. > 25 people have been killed since May So 150 people per year, or 0.000015% of India’s population. Sure, it’s a problem, but I’m pretty sure there are bigger problems that are easier to solve (rape and acid attacks come to mind).

> So 150 people per year, or 0.000015% of India’s population. This is an enormous and completely baseless leap. Why would you ever assume that the rate of killings is constant? What makes you think these killings aren't part of a rapidly growing phenomenon of social-media driven violence?

Not everything is a trend/signal.

Re: India: Google engineer latest victim of mob lynchings fueled by WhatsApp rumors

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post #13
post #5

This reminds me of the “Foxconn suicides” story... sure the absolute numbers were high, but Foxconn has like a million employees, so the suicide rate was actually completely “normal”. > 25 people have been killed since May So 150 people per year, or 0.000015% of India’s population. Sure, it’s a problem, but I’m pretty sure there are bigger problems that are easier to solve (rape and acid attacks come to mind).

> So 150 people per year, or 0.000015% of India’s population. This is an enormous and completely baseless leap. Why would you ever assume that the rate of killings is constant? What makes you think these killings aren't part of a rapidly growing phenomenon of social-media driven violence?

What is rapidly growing is the rate of these events which are reported.

Re: India: Google engineer latest victim of mob lynchings fueled by WhatsApp rumors

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post #5

This reminds me of the “Foxconn suicides” story... sure the absolute numbers were high, but Foxconn has like a million employees, so the suicide rate was actually completely “normal”. > 25 people have been killed since May So 150 people per year, or 0.000015% of India’s population. Sure, it’s a problem, but I’m pretty sure there are bigger problems that are easier to solve (rape and acid attacks come to mind).

This is a lynching for flips sake this is a crime several orders of magnitude greater than a crime of passion. presumably you would have told Lady Day that singing strange fruit isn't important as well not that many negros got lynched that year.

Also it looks like a lot of these lynching's are sectarian which is a threat to the good order of the state.

Re: India: Google engineer latest victim of mob lynchings fueled by WhatsApp rumors

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post #5

This reminds me of the “Foxconn suicides” story... sure the absolute numbers were high, but Foxconn has like a million employees, so the suicide rate was actually completely “normal”. > 25 people have been killed since May So 150 people per year, or 0.000015% of India’s population. Sure, it’s a problem, but I’m pretty sure there are bigger problems that are easier to solve (rape and acid attacks come to mind).

there are always bigger problem to solve. your point? I really don't get how "bigger problem to solve" is ever a valid argument.

Effort/time is limited so you have to prioritise what problems to solve.
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