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Re: Project Revives Nazi Atrocities in Striking Color

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Post by erikpukinskis »

adamnemecek wrote: post #9

This will be very controversial but lately I've been wondering why is it that Germany's atrocities are still talked about however similar atrocities committed by the Allies are ignored. Let's take Britains rule in India, particularly the Bengal famine of 1943 that killed 2-3 million people (as it happened around the same time as concentration camps). https://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/ Let's not eve…

I think part of it is Jewish organizations have done a great job investing in historians and museums to do the work.

Someone in another thread mentioned a lack of museums about the American holocaust. That stuck in my head. Now I’m thinking about how we fund historians and museums to teach that timeline better.

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Post by erikpukinskis »

cimmanom wrote: post #6
mgkimsal wrote: post #5

what's the silver/metal thing on peoples' heads in the left side photo?

It looks like just a peg in the wall where people were told to stand to center their head in front of the camera.

I suspect it was used as a mark to help take measurements from the images.

Re: Project Revives Nazi Atrocities in Striking Color

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Post by incadenza »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #11
adamnemecek wrote: post #9

This will be very controversial but lately I've been wondering why is it that Germany's atrocities are still talked about however similar atrocities committed by the Allies are ignored. Let's take Britains rule in India, particularly the Bengal famine of 1943 that killed 2-3 million people (as it happened around the same time as concentration camps). https://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/ Let's not eve…

I think part of it is Jewish organizations have done a great job investing in historians and museums to do the work. Someone in another thread mentioned a lack of museums about the American holocaust. That stuck in my head. Now I’m thinking about how we fund historians and museums to teach that timeline better.

What does the American holocaust refer to? EDIT: if it’s the initial European conquest and genocide, perhaps the lack of photographic / contemporary documentation makes a museum more difficult?

Re: Project Revives Nazi Atrocities in Striking Color

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Post by eyalm »

adamnemecek wrote: post #9

This will be very controversial but lately I've been wondering why is it that Germany's atrocities are still talked about however similar atrocities committed by the Allies are ignored. Let's take Britains rule in India, particularly the Bengal famine of 1943 that killed 2-3 million people (as it happened around the same time as concentration camps). https://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/ Let's not eve…

The Nazis established a massive, systemic and vicious program for the complete annihilation of any "enemy" of the aryan race, and by "enemy" we are talking about innocent jews, Romani and many more (although, the complete annihilation of the jewish people was it's main target). You may know this as the "Final Solution". I'm not aware of any event in modern human history that resembles the scale, the intent, the execution level and the pure evil that makes the final solution program.

This does not mean that other atrocities done by any other group of people (including the "allies") are not horrific and should not be condemned or remembered. But, the final solution should always be remembered as an extreme, unique and singular event in modern human history.

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Post by datalist »

adamnemecek wrote: post #9

This will be very controversial but lately I've been wondering why is it that Germany's atrocities are still talked about however similar atrocities committed by the Allies are ignored. Let's take Britains rule in India, particularly the Bengal famine of 1943 that killed 2-3 million people (as it happened around the same time as concentration camps). https://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/ Let's not eve…

You have made a good point and it is telling that it has been downvoted already.

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Post by adamnemecek »

incadenza wrote: post #13
erikpukinskis wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think part of it is Jewish organizations have done a great job investing in historians and museums to do the work. Someone in another thread mentioned a lack of museums about the American holocaust. That stuck in my head. Now I’m thinking about how we fund historians and museums to teach that timeline better.

What does the American holocaust refer to? EDIT: if it’s the initial European conquest and genocide, perhaps the lack of photographic / contemporary documentation makes a museum more difficult?

Yeah, that's what it refers to. I agree that the lack of contemporary documentation might be a major factor.

Re: Project Revives Nazi Atrocities in Striking Color

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Post by adamnemecek »

eyalm wrote: post #14
adamnemecek wrote: post #9

This will be very controversial but lately I've been wondering why is it that Germany's atrocities are still talked about however similar atrocities committed by the Allies are ignored. Let's take Britains rule in India, particularly the Bengal famine of 1943 that killed 2-3 million people (as it happened around the same time as concentration camps). https://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/ Let's not eve…

The Nazis established a massive, systemic and vicious program for the complete annihilation of any "enemy" of the aryan race, and by "enemy" we are talking about innocent jews, Romani and many more (although, the complete annihilation of the jewish people was it's main target). You may know this as the "Final Solution". I'm not aware of any event in modern human history that resembles the scale, the intent, the execu…

> I'm not aware of any event in modern human history that resembles the scale, the intent, the execution level and the pure evil that makes the final solution program.

Again, there's for example the Bengali famine.

> But, the final solution should always be remembered as an extreme, unique and singular event in modern human history.

If you consider singular events maybe. Other countries did it slower and over longer periods and there were multiple events. Idk if efficacy really makes a moral difference to me.

If you consider modern history maybe. However the problem with this formulation is that modern history generally starts around WW2 so in some sense, holocaust was the last event of this colonial style of thinking.

Re: Project Revives Nazi Atrocities in Striking Color

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Post by robteix »

mgkimsal wrote: post #5

what's the silver/metal thing on peoples' heads in the left side photo?

According to one of the posts[0] on the photographer's website:

> The metal device visible in the left picture was part of a spinning chair. It held the head in the correct position during the photographing.

[0] http://www.marinamaral.com/blog/2018/4/9/faces-of-auschwitz-...

Re: Project Revives Nazi Atrocities in Striking Color

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Post by ap3 »

adamnemecek wrote: post #9

This will be very controversial but lately I've been wondering why is it that Germany's atrocities are still talked about however similar atrocities committed by the Allies are ignored. Let's take Britains rule in India, particularly the Bengal famine of 1943 that killed 2-3 million people (as it happened around the same time as concentration camps). https://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/ Let's not eve…

Whataboutism aside, a big difference is EIC or Churchill did not try to depopulate Bengal or target it’s native population.

In Germany, the Jewish population was blamed for the countries problems and their extermination was a stated objective of the government’s policy. Concentration camps, gas chambers - they even extended this to other countries: Belgium, France, Poland, Russia

Famines are caused by environmental issues, a monsoon affects crops or bad policy like Mao in China or Kim in NK

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