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Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 11:22 PM UTC

matte_black wrote: post #8

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #2

“California malls” is too forgiving a headline. It’s one company, Irvine Company, a group with locations in the Bay Area [1]. They have phone numbers on their websites [2]. Reaching out to their retailers, particularly those with locations in Mexico, couldn’t hurt either. It might not be a bad idea to also compile a list of their retailers’ investor relations and Twitter accounts and tweet this article to them (here'…

Reach out and do what?

Here's an excerpt from e-mail I just sent 7 For All Mankind's support e-mail:

"You have a California location at Fashion Island [1]. It has recently become public that the operator of that mall, Irvine Company, is sharing customers' license plate data--due to no legal obligation and en masse--with ICE [2]. Irrespective of political affiliations, I believe we share a mutual respect for customers' privacy. Hoping your brand, currently running a #WeAreMankind campaign, is wiling to speak out about this inconsistency.

Best,

[JumpCrissCross]

[1] https://www.shopirvinecompany.com/directory/store-directory/

[2] https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/10/alpr-license-plate-recogni...

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 11:23 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #7

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #2

“California malls” is too forgiving a headline. It’s one company, Irvine Company, a group with locations in the Bay Area [1]. They have phone numbers on their websites [2]. Reaching out to their retailers, particularly those with locations in Mexico, couldn’t hurt either. It might not be a bad idea to also compile a list of their retailers’ investor relations and Twitter accounts and tweet this article to them (here'…

I would also settle for some California legislation that would kill Vigilant’s business model.

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Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by Skunkleton » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 11:24 PM UTC

To me the issue here is that this data is collected in the first place. It seems wrong to me that private corporations are tracking my every move.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by jumby » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 11:28 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #7

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #2

“California malls” is too forgiving a headline. It’s one company, Irvine Company, a group with locations in the Bay Area [1]. They have phone numbers on their websites [2]. Reaching out to their retailers, particularly those with locations in Mexico, couldn’t hurt either. It might not be a bad idea to also compile a list of their retailers’ investor relations and Twitter accounts and tweet this article to them (here'…

I would also settle for some California legislation that would kill Vigilant’s business model.

More than this?

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm...

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by zzleeper » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 11:28 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #2

“California malls” is too forgiving a headline. It’s one company, Irvine Company, a group with locations in the Bay Area [1]. They have phone numbers on their websites [2]. Reaching out to their retailers, particularly those with locations in Mexico, couldn’t hurt either. It might not be a bad idea to also compile a list of their retailers’ investor relations and Twitter accounts and tweet this article to them (here'…

Irvine Company is not just "one company", it's HUGE... it owns half of Orange County, Newport Beach, etc. From Wikipedia:

> The Irvine Company develops suburban master-planned communities throughout central and southern Orange County, in addition to residential buildings in Santa Monica, Silicon Valley, and San Diego.[6] The company also owns and manages office buildings in Milpitas, San Jose, Sunnyvale, Downtown San Diego, Mission Valley, San Diego, La Jolla Village/University City, Sorrento Mesa, Del Mar Heights, Newport Center, UCI locations, West Los Angeles, Pasadena, Chicago, and New York City.[7]

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by OceanKing » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 11:28 PM UTC

This article takes a distinctly negative tone towards this practice. What’s the problem here? License plate data is public information, it’s the same as if a person standing on the street saw your plate and told someone else. There should not be any expectation of privacy in regard to one’s license plate or the location of its sighting.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by PretzelFisch » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 11:29 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #7

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #2

“California malls” is too forgiving a headline. It’s one company, Irvine Company, a group with locations in the Bay Area [1]. They have phone numbers on their websites [2]. Reaching out to their retailers, particularly those with locations in Mexico, couldn’t hurt either. It might not be a bad idea to also compile a list of their retailers’ investor relations and Twitter accounts and tweet this article to them (here'…

I would also settle for some California legislation that would kill Vigilant’s business model.

It might be time for a group of tech people to write some initiatives to limit these kind of business models. This kind of behavior should be pretty simple to get Californians to vote for.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by matte_black » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 11:32 PM UTC

OceanKing wrote: post #16

This article takes a distinctly negative tone towards this practice. What’s the problem here? License plate data is public information, it’s the same as if a person standing on the street saw your plate and told someone else. There should not be any expectation of privacy in regard to one’s license plate or the location of its sighting.

The trigger here is ICE. For many people in this country, anything ICE does is bad now.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by s73v3r_ » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 11:36 PM UTC

matte_black wrote: post #18

OceanKing wrote: post #16

This article takes a distinctly negative tone towards this practice. What’s the problem here? License plate data is public information, it’s the same as if a person standing on the street saw your plate and told someone else. There should not be any expectation of privacy in regard to one’s license plate or the location of its sighting.

The trigger here is ICE. For many people in this country, anything ICE does is bad now.

Well, when you rip kids from parents seeking asylum, and then can't even get them back to their parents in a timely manner, yeah, people get upset.

Re: A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE

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Post by ipsin » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 11:36 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #2

“California malls” is too forgiving a headline. It’s one company, Irvine Company, a group with locations in the Bay Area [1]. They have phone numbers on their websites [2]. Reaching out to their retailers, particularly those with locations in Mexico, couldn’t hurt either. It might not be a bad idea to also compile a list of their retailers’ investor relations and Twitter accounts and tweet this article to them (here'…

Given this news, I'm going to contact some other large mall chains (e.g. Westfield), in the hopes that they'll confirm that they don't give out license plate data to third parties.

I'll be interested to see how they respond.