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DigitalOcean’s quarterly report on developer trends in the cloud

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Here's the interesting learning for me: While Kubernetes was most popular overall, the smallest companies (1-5 employees) use Docker Swarm more often (41 percent use Swarm vs. 31 percent that use Kubernetes). Did not know Swarm was this popular. Even overall Swarm is 35% to K8s 42% However, there is a huge proliferation of hosted K8s services - AWS, GCP, Azure, Digitalocean, tons of others. Nobody seems to be making…

Sadly Docker is replacing Docker Swarm by Kubernetes

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#12
Like the Stack Overflow survey, this one does not distinguish server-side/client-side JavaScript, making it look far more popular than it actually is when considering the data in context of server-side technologies.

If 100% of the servers were running PHP, the results would likely be 50% PHP, 50% JavaScript.

These survey writers need to modify their question, or add another one specifically requesting server-side tech so JS can be accurately compared with server-side only languages.

Re: DigitalOcean’s quarterly report on developer trends in the cloud

#13

Here's the interesting learning for me: While Kubernetes was most popular overall, the smallest companies (1-5 employees) use Docker Swarm more often (41 percent use Swarm vs. 31 percent that use Kubernetes). Did not know Swarm was this popular. Even overall Swarm is 35% to K8s 42% However, there is a huge proliferation of hosted K8s services - AWS, GCP, Azure, Digitalocean, tons of others. Nobody seems to be making…

Sadly Docker is replacing Docker Swarm by Kubernetes

i think they are being very opaque about their plans and this is hurting their credibility.

They built the ability the launch k8s clusters through the docker tool. There are almost no tweets or posts about Swarm instead, their blog is full of kubernetes posts (https://blog.docker.com/). Even their coolhacks section is about "kubeflow". Top rated session at Dockercon was kubernetes.

i really hope they open up more and talk about their future plans and engage with the community.

Re: DigitalOcean’s quarterly report on developer trends in the cloud

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Here's the interesting learning for me: While Kubernetes was most popular overall, the smallest companies (1-5 employees) use Docker Swarm more often (41 percent use Swarm vs. 31 percent that use Kubernetes). Did not know Swarm was this popular. Even overall Swarm is 35% to K8s 42% However, there is a huge proliferation of hosted K8s services - AWS, GCP, Azure, Digitalocean, tons of others. Nobody seems to be making…

Swarm is dead simple to get up and running; it's baked into Docker. Maybe k8s is easy too, but I've always run into issues and the value proposition for pushing past them was never clear to me. There's no doubt in my mind that there are very good reasons to use k8s, I just haven't found them (nor looked especially hard).

Re: DigitalOcean’s quarterly report on developer trends in the cloud

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Interesting to compare the frequently used languages of those using containers to the Stackoverflow Dev survey.

- Javascript 57% use vs 71.5% I had always thought JS was high on the Stackoverflow survey because it included people using it on the frontend. Not necessarily the case.

- PHP was third at 36%

- Golang was fourth above Java

Re: DigitalOcean’s quarterly report on developer trends in the cloud

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post #12

Like the Stack Overflow survey, this one does not distinguish server-side/client-side JavaScript, making it look far more popular than it actually is when considering the data in context of server-side technologies. If 100% of the servers were running PHP, the results would likely be 50% PHP, 50% JavaScript. These survey writers need to modify their question, or add another one specifically requesting server-side tec…

You’re forgetting the C and C++ for the OS and other binaries. Throw in some python to bring this all together and some Go for a bit of spice.

I get your point, but they probably asked “what language do you develop with”.

Re: DigitalOcean’s quarterly report on developer trends in the cloud

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> Serverless computing is in a much earlier stage of adoption, with nearly half of developers failing to clearly understand what it is. I've seen this called Function as a Service and honestly I think using that term instead of Serverless would go a long way to fixing this issue because 1) it clearly communicates what it is 2) there's not actually such thing as serverless since the functions are still running on serv…

"/cgi-bin/ Rides Again" was left on the cutting-room floor.

Re: DigitalOcean’s quarterly report on developer trends in the cloud

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I realized recently that Serverless is to developers as credit cards are to college students.

Remember when VMs came out, and people were like, great! Now I can constrain the resources of my OS! I can run 10 OSes on one machine! I'll save so much money !

Then we gave individual teams access to create as many VMs as they wanted, and suddenly all the hardware was used up.

Now do that, but in the cloud, with unlimited resources.

Re: DigitalOcean’s quarterly report on developer trends in the cloud

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post #12

Like the Stack Overflow survey, this one does not distinguish server-side/client-side JavaScript, making it look far more popular than it actually is when considering the data in context of server-side technologies. If 100% of the servers were running PHP, the results would likely be 50% PHP, 50% JavaScript. These survey writers need to modify their question, or add another one specifically requesting server-side tec…

Do you think a lot of people are running JS in a container for frontend? I wouldn't consider a webserver container a "JS container", even it were mostly serving a React/Vue/Angular app.

By the way it's worded, it sounds like the question is specifically talking about NodeJS.

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