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Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Repeat after me: overeating is unhealthy. What you happen to overeat is beside the point.

This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.

Huh, what do they believe to be true now?

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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post #4

Repeat after me: overeating is unhealthy. What you happen to overeat is beside the point.

This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.

Could you please do us the service of demonstrating that it is false? Overeating is unhealthy is demonstrably true.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#13
I love the strange looks we get when we tell extended family that our 1.5y old and 4y old kids don't drink juice. I had this exact conversation with a cousin of mine last week. She checked in with me before giving my child juice. When I told her we didn't give our kids juice this is how the conversation went:

Q: "They don't drink juice? What do they drink?"

A: "Water."

Q: "Just water?"

A: "Yep. If you want to get fancy they also drink soda water or water with lemon."

She looked judgy and baffled at how hard-ass my wife and I were about juice. But juice is straight calories in the form of sugar. There's no fibre to slow absorption like you'd get with eating the whole fruit. It's not much better, calorically speaking, than soda.

And in addition to being unhealthy, having young kids wired on sugar also makes our life harder.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#14
post #4

Repeat after me: overeating is unhealthy. What you happen to overeat is beside the point.

This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.

Related:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5496172/ https://www.physiology.org/doi/abs/10.1152/ajpendo.00156.201...

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#15

Ok, what if you carbonate juice, add ginger, and call it Kombucha? Is it healthy now?

Kombucha usually has way less sugar though. I get the brands that have 4-6grams of sugar per serving.

is it replaced in part by alcohol though?

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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post #4

Repeat after me: overeating is unhealthy. What you happen to overeat is beside the point.

This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.

Seems like it doesn’t matter what scientists say. People still go for stupid things like keto and other weird train wreck diets.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.

Go eat 5000 calories a day of veggies without becoming obese then. Just because calories isn't the only important factor in obesity does not mean its not a factor at all. Scientists are simply building a more sophisticated understanding of obesity that looks at many other factors.

I think the post you’re responding to is referring to well established results such as that there is no metabolic pathway to convert dietary protein to adipose tissue. While some dietary protein is glycolysized, that pathway only satisfies immediate energy needs. Excess dietary protein that isn’t used on lean tissue is eliminated by the kidneys.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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post #4

Repeat after me: overeating is unhealthy. What you happen to overeat is beside the point.

This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.

Several people have asked for sources, so I'd like to point those people to this article, which is an easy-to-digest overview:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-teicholz-calorie-...

It starts with "Since the early 1900s, medical research has shown that people do lose weight on calorie-restricted diets — in the short term. But in most cases, they quickly gain it back..." and goes onto the studies on things that actually do work long-term, like fixing your sleep, fixing your stress, and limiting carbohydrates in your diet.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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post #4

Repeat after me: overeating is unhealthy. What you happen to overeat is beside the point.

This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.

It isn't that no one believes in that model of obestity any more. If you locked people in a cage and gave them 1,000 calories of snickers bars a day, yeah they would get lean.

But what complicates the situation is that what you eat affects how much you crave food, and what foods you crave, and how much energy you have, and how you sleep, etc.

Sugar seems to be bad on all of these ancillary fronts.

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