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Uganda Bans VPNs to Prevent Users from Dodging Its New Social Media Tax

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Re: Uganda Bans VPNs to Prevent Users from Dodging Its New Social Media Tax

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I'm interested to see how they go about filtering VPN traffic. AFAIK, running openvpn over port 443 is pretty much indistinguishable from normal TLS traffic.

Some VPNs go through extraordinary length for VPN over HTTP(S). It is not so trivial. Assuming that Uganda is likely buying blocking equipment from China.

Probably more like silicon valley. Bluecoat vars have been known to sell equipment to sanctioned countries and those that violate human rights.

Re: Uganda Bans VPNs to Prevent Users from Dodging Its New Social Media Tax

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post #10

I'm not sure why this tax should be labelled as absurd. Lots of countries tax TV, phone already. Taxing social media sounds weird only because no one else has done it yet.

Commendations for your bravery in raising that viewpoint. Assuming it’s a good idea to tax social media, do you also think it’s a good idea to implement the tax as a captive portal at the ISP level?

Re: Uganda Bans VPNs to Prevent Users from Dodging Its New Social Media Tax

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Someone needs to make a small sketch of the Uganda government with 7 year olds making up the laws. Child 1 - "Let's tax people for being on social media to stop them from saying bad things about us" Child 2 - "Yeah that's a great idea. Plus we'll have more money for candy." Govenments notice - "Social media is hereby taxed. Your local ISP will be collecting the tax automatically." People - "Whatever, we'll just use V…

The Chinese government has had a lot of success blocking Tor (and VPNs) most recently. You may know that all of the normal relays are publicly listed in the Tor directory, making them trivial to block by IP address. That will then require Tor users to do extra work to find bridges or configure pluggable transports for censorship circumvention, which most users may not be motivated enough to do. Censors can also try to fingerprint and block some of the circumvention methods.

In sum, Tor is not trivially or resoundingly winning the censorship arms race, even though it has some good work on censorship circumvention that's often effective in particular countries.

Some good background on this is in

https://www.bamsoftware.com/papers/thesis/

Re: Uganda Bans VPNs to Prevent Users from Dodging Its New Social Media Tax

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post #8

I'm interested to see how they go about filtering VPN traffic. AFAIK, running openvpn over port 443 is pretty much indistinguishable from normal TLS traffic.

China's gotten pretty good at it. OpenVPN running over port 443 is generally going to be using a CA that is not a public CA, and issues certificates directly rather than through an intermediate. Even if you tunnel something over normal TLS, the type of traffic can potentially be determined by analyzing how much data flows in which direction and when. If circumvention is seen as too widely spread, Uganda may simply de…

I feel like China is good about public/shared VPN's. If you set up your own and keep the details to yourself I was under the impression that it'd work just fine. That being said I love to travel and can work wherever but haven't been to CN yet for this reason in particular.

Re: Uganda Bans VPNs to Prevent Users from Dodging Its New Social Media Tax

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post #10

I'm not sure why this tax should be labelled as absurd. Lots of countries tax TV, phone already. Taxing social media sounds weird only because no one else has done it yet.

It might mean it's a bad idea to tax TV and phones.

Re: Uganda Bans VPNs to Prevent Users from Dodging Its New Social Media Tax

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some VPNs go through extraordinary length for VPN over HTTP(S). It is not so trivial. Assuming that Uganda is likely buying blocking equipment from China.

Probably more like silicon valley. Bluecoat vars have been known to sell equipment to sanctioned countries and those that violate human rights.

https://www.voanews.com/a/iran-plans-its-own-sanitized-inter...

Re: Uganda Bans VPNs to Prevent Users from Dodging Its New Social Media Tax

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I'm interested to see how they go about filtering VPN traffic. AFAIK, running openvpn over port 443 is pretty much indistinguishable from normal TLS traffic.

Some VPNs go through extraordinary length for VPN over HTTP(S). It is not so trivial. Assuming that Uganda is likely buying blocking equipment from China.

Not sure why this gets downvoted. Good luck trying OpenVPN over 80 or 443 in China.

If you want to build your own, use at least VPN that was developed in Japan. (Google)

Re: Uganda Bans VPNs to Prevent Users from Dodging Its New Social Media Tax

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Someone needs to make a small sketch of the Uganda government with 7 year olds making up the laws. Child 1 - "Let's tax people for being on social media to stop them from saying bad things about us" Child 2 - "Yeah that's a great idea. Plus we'll have more money for candy." Govenments notice - "Social media is hereby taxed. Your local ISP will be collecting the tax automatically." People - "Whatever, we'll just use V…

I see this all the time on HN, the dismissal of real problems by suggesting the wide spread use of using highly technical solutions. It is naive and frankly arrogant.

The vast majority of the population, and I'd bet it's even higher in Uganda does not even know what Tor is, yet alone how to use it.

My mom just figured out how to send photos via text message for heaven's sake.

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