Live data from Hacker News

Ask YC: How did you escape the pressures of school?

news.ycombinator.com

11–20 of 31 posts

Re: Ask YC: How did you escape the pressures of school?

#11
Perhaps this list of billionaire dropouts may have some relevance to the topic at hand:

http://www.pennylicious.com/2006/10/09/billionaire-dropouts/

Also listen to Steve Jobs talk about dropping out in his commencement speech:

http://www.google.com/search?q=steve+jobs+commencement

Dropping out is one of the worst things you can do if you want a job, and one of the best things you can do if you want to make sure you won't end up in one. Essentially you throw yourself in the deep end with nothing to "fall back on".

Re: Ask YC: How did you escape the pressures of school?

#12

I took a semester between HS and college to move back to the US (I was in south america). Best move ever since I was on the fence about school and working with my uncle at a sewer and drain cleaning business (and plumbing too) gave me a great reality check. I then went to a state school where, except for one semester, I worked full time and school full time for 2.5 years (1 $4,500 student loan only and about $2k in c…

[deleted]

Re: Ask YC: How did you escape the pressures of school?

#13
post #2

I went to community college for the first 60 credits, at $50/credit. I financed that with a part-time job and picking a college 2 miles from my parent's house. By the time I dropped out I was... gosh a couple grand positive, no credit cards & no debt. Maybe I'm missng something, but at least the first couple years of college don't have to be $900/credit plus dorm plus xyz extravaganzas. You're taking mostly required…

I also went this path, and never ended up getting a degree worth noting. I'd recommend against it.

Sure, I've made a good living since then and have never had a hard time getting a job when I wanted one (I've mostly consulted and ran my own businesses), but there are a lot of opportunities closed off to me. I've gotten recruitment letters from Google, among others, based on my Open Source work and a book I wrote a few years back, but I suspect strongly (and with ample knowledge of the Google hiring process and requirements) I wouldn't actually be able to get a job at Google today (maybe three or four years ago, but the "elite university" bar has become far more important these days).

So, if I ever really wanted to try the everyday normal software developer lifestyle...ya know, go to work for about 40 hours each week, eat free food, enjoy subsidized massages, call the ergonomics team when my bottom feels funny in my chair, make enough money to buy big TVs and a Prius but not enough to buy property in the valley, etc. I almost certainly would not have that option. I could contract for any number of small and large businesses, and I have, but being an "employee" with all of the good and bad that comes with that, at any place where I would consider working, is unlikely.

Having those options is nice...at 18 or 19, it's hard to know exactly what one will want out of life. I'm content with the path I've taken, but I'm sure I wouldn't regret having spent my college years at a good school instead of screwing around at community college, either.

Re: Ask YC: How did you escape the pressures of school?

#14

Perhaps this list of billionaire dropouts may have some relevance to the topic at hand: http://www.pennylicious.com/2006/10/09/billionaire-dropouts/ Also listen to Steve Jobs talk about dropping out in his commencement speech: http://www.google.com/search?q=steve+jobs+commencement Dropping out is one of the worst things you can do if you want a job , and one of the best things you can do if you want to make sure you…

Perhaps- I dropped out of college to start my first venture. It folded unexpectedly early, and afterwards I found myself without another idea I found compelling enough to put 100% into. Rather than going back to school I decided to try my luck at seeing if I could get a day job, and while my lack of a degree definitely closed a couple doors, the failed startup experience was enough to get a few offers and a job at one of the big-name large companies. It turns out that even big companies will often see startup experience as more valuable, even if as in my case the startup folded alarmingly quickly.

Re: Ask YC: How did you escape the pressures of school?

#15
Not sure why you havent done useful things already, there's a ton of things you can do as a student, and IMO, dropping out should not be one of them. Why didnt you be a part of an open source project? Why didnt you write useful little applications for yourself? Why not try and get an internship? The problem with dropping out is, if things go bad with your buisness, you dont have the cushion of getting a regular job, all you are left with is the scars of a failed buisness, all your friends in good jobs, no college degree and not sure of income and the lack of social life you have as a result of all this.

Re: Ask YC: How did you escape the pressures of school?

#16

Perhaps this list of billionaire dropouts may have some relevance to the topic at hand: http://www.pennylicious.com/2006/10/09/billionaire-dropouts/ Also listen to Steve Jobs talk about dropping out in his commencement speech: http://www.google.com/search?q=steve+jobs+commencement Dropping out is one of the worst things you can do if you want a job , and one of the best things you can do if you want to make sure you…

I'm really skeptical that there's a causal relationship between dropping out and subsequently becoming a billionaire, or otherwise very wealthy. There may be a correlation (both require independent thinking, etc.), but I think most of those billionaires would have been as successful or even more so if they'd have spent the time to finish school.

And looking at a handful of examples of billionaire dropouts and then generalizing more broadly is pretty silly: that is pure selection bias. You could also look at the set of billionaires who are, say, born in June and draw similar conclusions. Either way, you're ignoring the vast number of common cases in favor of a few spectacular exceptions.

Re: Ask YC: How did you escape the pressures of school?

#18
It really depends on what you mean by "school." There's an almost incomparable qualitative difference between Stanford (or Harvard, my alma mater) and your local community college, if you're talking about a CS degree.

But college these days is pretty much a waste of time, except as a trade school (even Stanford or Harvard, to be brutally realistic). Everything else has been so compromised by the everything-is-relative PC mush-heads that it's not worth even $50/credit, much less nearly $2,000 at the big-name schools.

Re: Ask YC: How did you escape the pressures of school?

#19
post #2

I went to community college for the first 60 credits, at $50/credit. I financed that with a part-time job and picking a college 2 miles from my parent's house. By the time I dropped out I was... gosh a couple grand positive, no credit cards & no debt. Maybe I'm missng something, but at least the first couple years of college don't have to be $900/credit plus dorm plus xyz extravaganzas. You're taking mostly required…

I also went this path, and never ended up getting a degree worth noting. I'd recommend against it. Sure, I've made a good living since then and have never had a hard time getting a job when I wanted one (I've mostly consulted and ran my own businesses), but there are a lot of opportunities closed off to me. I've gotten recruitment letters from Google, among others, based on my Open Source work and a book I wrote a fe…

For a counterpoint...I worked for a year, went to an elite college, got a degree, and I'm not sure I'd recommend it either. Yeah, I could probably get hired at Google if I wanted, but I don't want to - and the rest of my resume isn't nearly as impressive as yours is.

If you're bright and independent-minded, the opportunity cost of that 4 years of college is huge. I did very little related to computers in those 4 years - I did get my degree in CS, and I worked on a large volunteer website, and I did a couple projects for my school, but I spent most of my time there as a physics major or trying out various liberal-arts classes. I graduated when I was 24. I have a friend that's 23, and he's currently maintaining 2 open source projects, formerly on another one (LiveJournal), has a good job in a specialized niche, previously had been a startup cofounder that went bust really quick, and has done webmonkey consulting for dozens of different organizations.

So I dunno. As you say, the problem is that it's impossible to tell ahead of time what you want out of life. When I was 20 and entering college, I sorta instinctively knew I wanted to be a startup software engineer (which is what I wanted at 19) yet told myself I wanted to be a theoretical physicist (which is what I wanted at 18) and went to a liberal arts school (which is what I wanted at 17). If it turns out you were wrong when you were young, then you thank your lucky stars that you went to that elite college and have many doors open before you. But if it turns out you were right, then you might be cursing yourself for the lost time spent hedging your bets instead of developing your specialty.

One other thing: doors do slam shut if you choose not to walk through them. I have friends who are in their late 20s or early 30s, straight-A alums of this elite college, and they've had a series of temp jobs because they couldn't decide what they wanted to do with their life. They're finding now that they're on the "no career" career. And while most of them are reasonably happy with their lives, they can't go back to the investment bank or biotech research lab or big software company that they turned down a job from upon graduation.

Post reply on HN