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Re: Partnering with Microsoft: a cautionary tale. Also, ask HN: contacts at Yahoo?

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Seems like a learning opportunity here. Could this have been handled differently? Maybe something like: BIGCO asks for info/demo, you oblige. BIGCO is pleased, asks for more discussions, Q&A, etc. At this point, you present an NDA/Non-compete. Certainly they could say "no", at which point the outcome is the same as it was here. Or they say "yes", at which point they have a little more skin in the game, and you have t…

I don't think any BIGCO would go for that since they need to build it out or buy it one way or the other. That would be nice, but I don't think it is feasible. Also, regardless of the law, I don't think it would be worth the cost or time pursuing. In general, the process was okay, the main issue was the very obvious change in communication half way through the process. If they launch and fully copy our innovations that will be somewhat annoying but the cost of doing business. I may post a follow up then if it happens. So far they haven't done anything nefarious.

Re: Partnering with Microsoft: a cautionary tale. Also, ask HN: contacts at Yahoo?

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Had a negative experience with MS recently. They were very interested in licensing some code for use in bing and we did a number of presentations to the top of the hierarchy which was extremely time consuming. In the end there was radio silence so we followed up and didn't hear back, then things were delayed multiple times on their end. It seemed highly unprofessional of the business development lead to string us alo…

The problem is not the near-glacial timeframes. It's using you to gather requirements and knowledge and to avoid pitfalls and then, after sucking you dry, building internally. That's simply not ethical. (burn, karma, burn)

Not working for MS, etc. But I wonder if this is intentional. I'm sure this is how it can come across to a startup, but for Big Inc. I doubt they setup these meetings to "outsource" product management work...

Re: Partnering with Microsoft: a cautionary tale. Also, ask HN: contacts at Yahoo?

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after all the companies Microsoft has destroyed using this tactic, I'm surprised anyone even picks up their call. Sure the lure of big bucks is appealing, but their track record is very clear. This has been their M.O since the beginning. Just ask Steve Jobs.

Re: Partnering with Microsoft: a cautionary tale. Also, ask HN: contacts at Yahoo?

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What is this technology that you are trying to partner with search engine (assuming that it is because you mentioned Bing)? I'm asking this because Yahoo is going to be integrated into/with Bing soon...so I don't see why you would want to partner with Yahoo. Well, I don't know what is the product in the first place.

Re: Partnering with Microsoft: a cautionary tale. Also, ask HN: contacts at Yahoo?

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Had a negative experience with MS recently. They were very interested in licensing some code for use in bing and we did a number of presentations to the top of the hierarchy which was extremely time consuming. In the end there was radio silence so we followed up and didn't hear back, then things were delayed multiple times on their end. It seemed highly unprofessional of the business development lead to string us alo…

The problem is not the near-glacial timeframes. It's using you to gather requirements and knowledge and to avoid pitfalls and then, after sucking you dry, building internally. That's simply not ethical. (burn, karma, burn)

This is, at least historically, a well known MS tactic, for which they have been sued.
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