Crickets from all of the "news" outlets that pointed to this incident as more "proof" of a Russia-Wikileaks partership. Very much like the Sony hack, which was widely attributed to North Korea (again, without a shred of evidence), you can be sure that there will be very few, if any, mea-culpas issued by those media organizations that uncritically swallowed DC/CIA misinformation and reported that misinformation as fact. Hopefully this episode will serve as an important reminder to everyone that they should always remains skeptical, of everything, until presented with proof they can independently verify, instead of mindlessly accepting basless claims that happen to agree with popular narratives.
New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7
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#12> In a previous statement, WikiLeaks said the source of the damaging disclosure had hoped to “initiate a public debate about the security, creation, use, proliferation and democratic control of cyberweapons.” That didn't really work out... I wonder if that was the real motivation; it seems a little naive.
What other method is there?
Put the info out there, hope it gets traction, hope we who care spread it.
You can't force people to care.
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#13> Mr. Schulte had been charged last year in New York with possession of child pornography. The fact that they found child porn on his computer is the scariest part. Almost any technical person could frame almost anyone else with CP possession. It's just a matter of putting some files on a computer and/or faking some logs, browser history, etc. It would be incredibly trivial for the CIA to put CP on his computer and t…
One of the leaks describes methods for doing just this.
I was afraid to open the comments here. Very happy I was wrong.
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#14> Mr. Schulte had been charged last year in New York with possession of child pornography. The fact that they found child porn on his computer is the scariest part. Almost any technical person could frame almost anyone else with CP possession. It's just a matter of putting some files on a computer and/or faking some logs, browser history, etc. It would be incredibly trivial for the CIA to put CP on his computer and t…
If i recall correctly there was a virus that did that. If you got infected it would visit sites that had cp on it and would download cp to the infected computer. Even if you deleted the virus the cp would still remain.
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#15While I won't justify anything this person allegedly did.. it seems open to speculation whether the child pornography stuff was actually legitimate, or some sort of targeted attack. (whether to destroy his character/career or keep him under judicial watch / within the country)
The feds are notorious for doing stuff like that. Just look at how they were trying to bag assange with rape charges back when he was on the run. Also look at how they prosecute bigger criminals. They dont go after them for smuggling or drug dealing. It is always tax fraud, wire fraud etc. They dont care what crime you committed as long as they get the person behind bars.
>Just look at how they were trying to bag assange with rape charges back when he was on the run.
Those charges were Swedish.
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#16"Government investigators suspect that he provided WikiLeaks, the anti-secrecy organization, with a stolen archive of documents detailing the C.I.A.’s hacking operations, but they had not initially charged him in that crime." Wikileaks is a news organization, not an anti-secrecy organization who's First Amendment Right to Freedom of the Press has been illegally infringed upon by the US Government.
Or option C: a propaganda arm of the Russian Government. EDIT: downvoters aren't offering a response, so I'll just hope or assume that they want evidence: [1] https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/wikileaks-turned-down-l... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/07/putin-dismisses... [3] http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.771716 [4] http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/25/politics/cambridge-analyti... [5] https://sunli…
MUH RUSSIA
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#17Prosecute the messenger; leave the criminal conspiracy untouched.
What criminality? Unless the CIA was using the tools against targets in the US, there's no US law broken.
Every country does it.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
The feds are notorious for doing stuff like that. Just look at how they were trying to bag assange with rape charges back when he was on the run. Also look at how they prosecute bigger criminals. They dont go after them for smuggling or drug dealing. It is always tax fraud, wire fraud etc. They dont care what crime you committed as long as they get the person behind bars.
>Just look at how they were trying to bag assange with rape charges back when he was on the run. Those charges were Swedish.
Look up five eye agreement. Different governments often work with each other to catch people. You help me out and ill help you out type of stuff.
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#19While I won't justify anything this person allegedly did.. it seems open to speculation whether the child pornography stuff was actually legitimate, or some sort of targeted attack. (whether to destroy his character/career or keep him under judicial watch / within the country)
I read the IRC logs, and I'm skeptical that anyone not deeply versed in the lingo, tone, and character of that scene could fake them. It's not impossible, but it was pretty convincing to me.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but ISTM the question isn't really whether the logs are of a genuine conversation about CP, but rather whether the accused really was a part of that conversation? After all, if he really took part in a conversation about procuring such material, it wouldn't have mattered if he talked like a newb. Likewise, if he wasn't in on it, it doesn't matter that everyone who was in on it got "the lingo" right.
ps. How would one know enough about the scene to motivate such skepticism?
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#20> In a previous statement, WikiLeaks said the source of the damaging disclosure had hoped to “initiate a public debate about the security, creation, use, proliferation and democratic control of cyberweapons.” That didn't really work out... I wonder if that was the real motivation; it seems a little naive.
For one thing, it completely hollowed out a previously common claim of attribution for the alleged DNC "hack": "We have some evidence of tools that only Russian state employees use!" "These CIA documents indicate that CIA and other parties also use those tools..." "Why do you hate America?"