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Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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This is not specific to China but many larger countries who are good at other sports but they don't do well at soccer. Australia is very good at Rugby, Cricket but their soccer team is average and they make it to world cups only because of limited competition in their confederation (OFC). Domestic soccer leagues are just picking up in China. They mostly comprise to Chinese players and/or end up with retirees of Europ…

Nitpick: Australia is in the Asian confederation, not Oceana. Still, Asia as a whole is a weak confederation.

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post #8

> American mainstream sports tend to rely heavily on the authoritarian figure of the coach, who draws up plays for obedient players to execute. Which sports is the author referring to other than American Football? I played volleyball, and the coach had little control over the way a serve would play out other than which players were on the court.

> Which sports is the author referring to other than American Football?

I mean this pretty clearly refers to Baseball as well.

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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I find it hard to believe coaches of any professional Soccer/Football team abide by non-compliance of the team.

The people called out in this story are all super stars, and have more power in a sense than the coaches of their teams. Much like Lebron James is in basketball.

But if you look at other teams, like Spain, in which there is less dependence on a single player, and more on the team play, my guess is that part of that is due to the coach pushing for more passing, more calm control of the ball. Not to say they don’t have individually great players on the team, but they clearly play as a team, and not individuals.

The article might be right that to excel in Soccer one needs to be more free in expression and experimentation. My theory on why Brazil excels, is that socially the sport is played almost all the time by everyone... and it’s a great sport for low income areas, ball, field, game. In the US, we rarely did pickup games of soccer, even though many of us played in the neighborhood, because most of the other kids wanted to play American Football...

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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This is not specific to China but many larger countries who are good at other sports but they don't do well at soccer. Australia is very good at Rugby, Cricket but their soccer team is average and they make it to world cups only because of limited competition in their confederation (OFC). Domestic soccer leagues are just picking up in China. They mostly comprise to Chinese players and/or end up with retirees of Europ…

Iniesta moved to Japan.

Also, Australia has 5200% less people than China, so not a great comparison. A better comparison would have been India, who have a comparable population but a heavy focus on cricket.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/football/barcelona-iniesta-ja...

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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Why United States doesn't dominate soccer?

For the US it is more about the quality of athletes and interest in the sport. The best athletes don't play soccer. They go to football, basketball, and to some extent baseball. On my son's club basketball team they regularly get some of the best soccer players in the city joining, and dropping soccer. The inverse (great basketball players joining soccer and leaving basketball) rarely/never happens.

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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post #12

Why United States doesn't dominate soccer?

Msybe it's a catch22. It's not very popular so not many people try it so the team doesn't have very good players so it's not popular. Argentina has soccer schools for children everywhere. And recruiters are always looking for rising stars in them.

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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Seems pretty weak and unsupported. It can be summed up as "China doesn't excel at soccer because of authoritarianism and because the sport is not well understood by anyone and central planning doesn't help". Ok, if you say so. Where's the evidence?

Totally agree. Just to pick a specific example and add on a bit: Germany reorganized their nationwide soccer development system in the mid-2000s to be much more centralized, and that's widely considered to be one of the reasons they have risen in prominence recently (they are the current reigning World Cup champions, for instance).

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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This is like asking why Brazil (pop 208M) and Nigeria (pop 191m) don't field competitive cricket teams.

Interestingly enough, China does have a fairly decent women's soccer team (~17th in the world), so they must be doing something right.

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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This is not specific to China but many larger countries who are good at other sports but they don't do well at soccer. Australia is very good at Rugby, Cricket but their soccer team is average and they make it to world cups only because of limited competition in their confederation (OFC). Domestic soccer leagues are just picking up in China. They mostly comprise to Chinese players and/or end up with retirees of Europ…

That's similar to the US. I think a lot of it just comes down to the number of kids that grow up playing a sport i.e. the talent pool. In the US lots of kids try playing soccer but most focus more on baseball / basketball / football / hockey. Whereas in countries where soccer is the main sport the talent pool is larger and you have tons of talented kids who've been playing for two decades

Yet, the US dominates in women’s soccer. Maybe there are fewer options for them to play other sports (football specifically)?
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