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150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by addicted »

djrogers wrote: post #6

This is one of the enormous penalties we as a nation have to pay because neither of our political parties actually wants to solve the illegal immigration issue. Republicans get to use ‘illegal immigrants taking jobs’ as a stick to beat democrats with, and progressives use cries of racism to rally support amongst Latino voters. Meanwhile anyone who espouses common sense ideas such as reforming our immigration policy g…

Umm reforming the immigration policy is exactly what progressives are calling for. The only difference is that the conservatives want to somehow deport everyone who is here and has been here for decades to somewhere while the “progressives” recognize that they are an integral part of the economy and want them to pay a penalty, and stand in the back of the line for American citizenship while they are provided recognized status so they can live in the country legally in the meanwhile.

This isn’t both sides not wanting to do anything. This is both sides having very different solutions.

All of which is irrelevant to the article since this is discussing legal immigration.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by HarryHirsch »

djrogers wrote: post #6

This is one of the enormous penalties we as a nation have to pay because neither of our political parties actually wants to solve the illegal immigration issue. Republicans get to use ‘illegal immigrants taking jobs’ as a stick to beat democrats with, and progressives use cries of racism to rally support amongst Latino voters. Meanwhile anyone who espouses common sense ideas such as reforming our immigration policy g…

And the Latino Caucus insists on family-based immigration. This is a trans-party issue, consequently any kind of point system will never get off the ground.

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Post by temp-dude-87844 »

How does this wait play out in real life? I doubt any company actually waits 15 years, and clearly not lengths exceeding a human lifespan, to fill a position, even if it went through the trouble of filing an I-140 and certified that zero US workers were available.

So what do all these applicants do in the meantime? Are they overseas? Are they in the States on dual-intent visas? Are they in some creative legal limbo?

If somehow, in the meantime, they obtain a green card or work permit, are they allowed to take that same position, if it's still open -- clearly, they can accept any other position, as they're fully allowed to work in the States, but can they take the one EB-2 and I-140 was filed for originally?

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Post by fzeroracer »

djrogers wrote: post #6

This is one of the enormous penalties we as a nation have to pay because neither of our political parties actually wants to solve the illegal immigration issue. Republicans get to use ‘illegal immigrants taking jobs’ as a stick to beat democrats with, and progressives use cries of racism to rally support amongst Latino voters. Meanwhile anyone who espouses common sense ideas such as reforming our immigration policy g…

Can you explain what you mean by 'reforming our immigration policy', because there is a wide range of options when it comes to said reform ranging from sensible to separating children from their family and putting them in camps.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by taken_username »

pfarnsworth wrote: post #7

Is it really discrimination if the system is already known to have a per-country limit, and yet more and more people from that country continue to file for Green Cards? Indians who come to the US these days know for a fact there is a 10+ year wait for a Green Card, so they're the ones taking their chances. If they scream discrimination, I call BS on that. It sucks that the system is the way it is, and I think a point…

Slavery was a system in the way it was and it was even legal! You can't turn around and yell this is how it is.

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Post by wetpaws »

temp-dude-87844 wrote: post #13

How does this wait play out in real life? I doubt any company actually waits 15 years, and clearly not lengths exceeding a human lifespan, to fill a position, even if it went through the trouble of filing an I-140 and certified that zero US workers were available. So what do all these applicants do in the meantime? Are they overseas? Are they in the States on dual-intent visas? Are they in some creative legal limbo?…

You can work until your priority date is current and you can even change employer.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by rahul003 »

temp-dude-87844 wrote: post #13

How does this wait play out in real life? I doubt any company actually waits 15 years, and clearly not lengths exceeding a human lifespan, to fill a position, even if it went through the trouble of filing an I-140 and certified that zero US workers were available. So what do all these applicants do in the meantime? Are they overseas? Are they in the States on dual-intent visas? Are they in some creative legal limbo?…

After you apply for a green card and cross the first step (takes about a year or two), then your H1B visa can be extended indefinitely. So the applicant can continue working. The company doesn't care because in this scenario they have an employee who'll think 10 times about leaving even if they are not being treated well. That's not to say the employee can't leave and join another company who's willing to make the necessary adjustments to the green card process. But it does mean that the applicant is forever in this limbo without freedom, can't plan long term, and has to leave the country in a week or so if he/she loses their job.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by oculusthrift »

taken_username wrote: post #15
pfarnsworth wrote: post #7

Is it really discrimination if the system is already known to have a per-country limit, and yet more and more people from that country continue to file for Green Cards? Indians who come to the US these days know for a fact there is a 10+ year wait for a Green Card, so they're the ones taking their chances. If they scream discrimination, I call BS on that. It sucks that the system is the way it is, and I think a point…

Slavery was a system in the way it was and it was even legal! You can't turn around and yell this is how it is.

And not being able to swarm into another country is equivalent to slavery?

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by rahul003 »

pfarnsworth wrote: post #7

Is it really discrimination if the system is already known to have a per-country limit, and yet more and more people from that country continue to file for Green Cards? Indians who come to the US these days know for a fact there is a 10+ year wait for a Green Card, so they're the ones taking their chances. If they scream discrimination, I call BS on that. It sucks that the system is the way it is, and I think a point…

Knowing that discrimination exists while you get into something doesn't make it less discriminatory. Sure they knew what they were getting into, but I doubt they are complaining that they didn't know it was like this.

Re: 150-Year Green Card Wait for Indian Immigrants With Advanced Degrees

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Post by HarryHirsch »

wetpaws wrote: post #16
temp-dude-87844 wrote: post #13

How does this wait play out in real life? I doubt any company actually waits 15 years, and clearly not lengths exceeding a human lifespan, to fill a position, even if it went through the trouble of filing an I-140 and certified that zero US workers were available. So what do all these applicants do in the meantime? Are they overseas? Are they in the States on dual-intent visas? Are they in some creative legal limbo?…

You can work until your priority date is current and you can even change employer.

The caveat is that your employer keeps you on a very short leash. If you are fired you must have a new job within 30 days, else must leave the country. Not everyone has the stomach for this, especially if you have a family.
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