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Re: The Google H1 Fritz Chip

#11
>To my knowledge, there has been no detailed public discussion of this NSA-imposed atrocity anywhere on the Net,

This blog post asserts that it was imposed by the NSA. Where is the evidence for that? The only source seems to be what appears to be speculation by some person on IRC.

>20:23 from my pov, it's nsa rootkit

It's hard to take this post very seriously when there's disinformation like this.

Re: The Google H1 Fritz Chip

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post #11

>To my knowledge, there has been no detailed public discussion of this NSA-imposed atrocity anywhere on the Net, This blog post asserts that it was imposed by the NSA. Where is the evidence for that? The only source seems to be what appears to be speculation by some person on IRC. >20:23 from my pov, it's nsa rootkit It's hard to take this post very seriously when there's disinformation like this.

Why do people think it makes so much of a difference if a happy new planetary order is initially installed by alphabet agencies or Alphabet companies?

Re: The Google H1 Fritz Chip

#14
post #9

Fact: The Snowden leaks confirmed the long suspicion that governments work to backdoor software and hardware at an insane level. Related fact: Governments also try crazy hard to bust into insecure, vulnerable devices to compromise them. So we have this really annoying catch 22, where people like this author report on real security and tamper protection systems as bad -- yet without them, the device would actually be…

And given the extreme asymmetry of defense vs offense there is only one possible outcome :

Backdoors for every state actor ...

It is incredibly easy to make ridiculously hard to find backdoors in both software and even more so in hardware, and early versions have been caught (including the US and Chinese governments). The odds of finding "v2" or, more likely "v50" backdoors are bad. Very bad.

Re: The Google H1 Fritz Chip

#15
post #11

>To my knowledge, there has been no detailed public discussion of this NSA-imposed atrocity anywhere on the Net, This blog post asserts that it was imposed by the NSA. Where is the evidence for that? The only source seems to be what appears to be speculation by some person on IRC. >20:23 from my pov, it's nsa rootkit It's hard to take this post very seriously when there's disinformation like this.

Why do people think it makes so much of a difference if a happy new planetary order is initially installed by alphabet agencies or Alphabet companies?

If the NSA is forcing Google to install chips in Chromebooks, then that's a sign that one group (the NSA) is getting a ton of power, since they likely also compelled chips in Android, Windows, iOS, Mac, and even Linux computers.

Whereas if Google is putting chips into their Chromebooks of their own initiative, that is no indication that Google is getting power over Windows, iOS, Mac, or Linux computers.

Re: The Google H1 Fritz Chip

#16
Author of linked article speaking (supposing anyone is still reading, thread already marked as spam?)

I recommend to actually read Google's published Cr50 sources -- no reason to take my word for it. All of the functionality I described -- and more -- is there, plain as daylight, with comments. Including the backdoor pubkeys.

Re: The Google H1 Fritz Chip

#17
post #9

Fact: The Snowden leaks confirmed the long suspicion that governments work to backdoor software and hardware at an insane level. Related fact: Governments also try crazy hard to bust into insecure, vulnerable devices to compromise them. So we have this really annoying catch 22, where people like this author report on real security and tamper protection systems as bad -- yet without them, the device would actually be…

> It's plenty easier to buy a hackable and open by default platform...

Pray tell, where can I buy a laptop (of new, rather than vintage, manufacture) without blobs and master keys?

Re: The Google H1 Fritz Chip

#18
post #9

Fact: The Snowden leaks confirmed the long suspicion that governments work to backdoor software and hardware at an insane level. Related fact: Governments also try crazy hard to bust into insecure, vulnerable devices to compromise them. So we have this really annoying catch 22, where people like this author report on real security and tamper protection systems as bad -- yet without them, the device would actually be…

And given the extreme asymmetry of defense vs offense there is only one possible outcome : Backdoors for every state actor ... It is incredibly easy to make ridiculously hard to find backdoors in both software and even more so in hardware, and early versions have been caught (including the US and Chinese governments). The odds of finding "v2" or, more likely "v50" backdoors are bad. Very bad.

Google, quite untypically for large manufacturers, put their golden key backdoor in plain sight, inside published source. (Apparently, "only a terrorist!" would read it?)

Re: The Google H1 Fritz Chip

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post #10
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously. The hardware aspects are interesting, but the author's insistence on interpreting the situation as some sort of grand conspiracy theory, and using derogatory terms like "open sores" at every opportunity, makes the article nigh-unreadable.

Beyond the rethoric, the substance is not very different from RMS' arguments against TPMs, which must be some 15 years old now. You'll have a hard time buying a device today without such a chip.

Cr50 is quite different from the Infineon et al TPM item commonly found in x86 boxes. It is able to rewrite AP and EC firmware, overriding the advertised write-protect feature; access the microphone; etc.

No reason to take my word for it: I recommend to read Google's source, I have linked to the most interesting routines.

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