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Re: The Long View: Nobody Expects an Accountable Inquisition

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Post by duxup » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:57 AM UTC

landryraccoon wrote: post #7

> It is difficult for modern readers to conceive of the desecration of human remains as comparable with the act of burning someone alive. To this modern reader, it seems perfectly understandable. After all a man may wish another man dead for rational self interest. As evil as he may be, it’s at least comprehensible. On the other hand, someone who avenges himself on the bones of the dead is clearly unhinged. How could…

It should also be noted that the Catholic teaching is that the physical body will eventually be resurrected to its perfect form on the last day, not just in a spiritual sense, but physically too. To desecrate it further would seem to risk the possibility of that happening, effectively ending eternal life.

Re: The Long View: Nobody Expects an Accountable Inquisition

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Post by ldp01 » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 6:47 AM UTC

I don't understand the message of this article.

> "This was a unique event, a moment that unveils a completely unexpected image of the power balance between inquisitors and the communities over which they held jurisdiction. The resulting picture is significantly less one-sided than has traditionally been imagined."

But then...

> "Unfortunately the success of this unique uprising was short-lived. By 1301, Guido of Vicenza was back to his old tricks, desecrating the shrine of a popular local holy man."

So the inquisition ultimately was not held accountable and the popular uprising was ineffective.

Re: The Long View: Nobody Expects an Accountable Inquisition

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Post by madaxe_again » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 8:40 AM UTC

ldp01 wrote: post #12

I don't understand the message of this article. > "This was a unique event, a moment that unveils a completely unexpected image of the power balance between inquisitors and the communities over which they held jurisdiction. The resulting picture is significantly less one-sided than has traditionally been imagined." But then... > "Unfortunately the success of this unique uprising was short-lived. By 1301, Guido of Vic…

Reading up on the histories of Avignonet and Toulouse, the violent uprisings fared little better than civil disobedience.

If there’s any message here, it’s that localised resistance just results in severe retribution - over 200 cathars were burned two years later in retribution for Avignonet.

Frankly, if this gives credence to anything, it’s Law 15: http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.com/2011/05/law-15-crush-you...

Re: The Long View: Nobody Expects an Accountable Inquisition

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Post by salawat » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 5:57 PM UTC

madaxe_again wrote: post #13

ldp01 wrote: post #12

I don't understand the message of this article. > "This was a unique event, a moment that unveils a completely unexpected image of the power balance between inquisitors and the communities over which they held jurisdiction. The resulting picture is significantly less one-sided than has traditionally been imagined." But then... > "Unfortunately the success of this unique uprising was short-lived. By 1301, Guido of Vic…

Reading up on the histories of Avignonet and Toulouse, the violent uprisings fared little better than civil disobedience. If there’s any message here, it’s that localised resistance just results in severe retribution - over 200 cathars were burned two years later in retribution for Avignonet. Frankly, if this gives credence to anything, it’s Law 15: http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.com/2011/05/law-15-crush-you...

Wow!

So THAT is where all of the worst managers I've ever had the misfortune of working with seem to have had their mindset built from.

There seems to be some value in there by putting a name to some patterns, but it reads like a psychopath's social manipulation how-to guide.