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Uber CEO says Uber and Alphabet are discussing working together on self-driving

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Re: Uber CEO says Uber and Alphabet are discussing working together on self-driving

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it's sorta like how "architect" has become a verb.

According to [0], the use of architect as a verb goes back to at least 1818. 0) https://english.stackexchange.com/a/212273

And it's similar in form to verbs like detect and protect. Maybe the noun should be architector.

Re: Uber CEO says Uber and Alphabet are discussing working together on self-driving

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Another way of looking at this: after the Phoenix accident, Uber realized that its own autonomous tech is woefully inadequate and years behind Waymo's, so now they're trying to play nice to not get left behind.

I think that everyone in this industry is also starting to realize that far from a quick race to be first, this is actually the start of a long slog. With the realization that full autonomy isn’t a few years, but at least a few decades away, collaboration rather than throat-slitting becomes a more sensible strategy.

I very much doubt your claim about "decades away". There would be zero interest in this field from companies if the prospect of medium-term profits is zero.

Re: Uber CEO says Uber and Alphabet are discussing working together on self-driving

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The article is actually saying that Dara Khosrowshahi would like to talk to Alphabet about this matter, which is not surprising given how Uber's own project is going. There's no indication of enthusiasm for this on Alphabet's part, however.

Re: Uber CEO says Uber and Alphabet are discussing working together on self-driving

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The article is actually saying that Dara Khosrowshahi would like to talk to Alphabet about this matter, which is not surprising given how Uber's own project is going. There's no indication of enthusiasm for this on Alphabet's part, however.

I don't know why you were downvoted.

Waymo has a partnership with Lyft that may or may not go anywhere. Waymo may decide that they don't need no stinking rideshare company to host their vehicles.

Re: Uber CEO says Uber and Alphabet are discussing working together on self-driving

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'Autonomous' is an adjective.

People - particularly businesspeople, and especially American businesspeople - like to noun and verb words. Verbing and nouning weirds language.

> Verbing weirds language

https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1993/01/25

Don't miss the comment pointing out the word "denominative:"

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/denominative

Re: Uber CEO says Uber and Alphabet are discussing working together on self-driving

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Another way of looking at this: after the Phoenix accident, Uber realized that its own autonomous tech is woefully inadequate and years behind Waymo's, so now they're trying to play nice to not get left behind.

I think that everyone in this industry is also starting to realize that far from a quick race to be first, this is actually the start of a long slog. With the realization that full autonomy isn’t a few years, but at least a few decades away, collaboration rather than throat-slitting becomes a more sensible strategy.

Given that Waymo has autonomous cars driving real users around at least one real city with no driver behind the wheel, why are you so confident that autonomy is "at least" decades away? Maybe you mean decades away from market saturation? Or from being able to do literally anything a human driver can do? Even then, "at least a few decades" feels overly pessimistic, and neither of those accomplishments are required to start eating the Uber/Lyft market.

Re: Uber CEO says Uber and Alphabet are discussing working together on self-driving

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I'd really prefer any company working on self-driving technology collaborate anyway. I don't see it as important for getting users on the platforms as suggested in the article or even as a 'business' decision.

As we begin adopting automated driving, there comes a point where it's helpful to have the systems communicating intentions with each other; part of the issue with driving manually is the uncertainty over other drivers' intent. Using automation and letting drivers talk in this manner would likely reduce crashes down to manual driver fault and significant bugs or sensor errors as it's adopted more. This isn't what they're after at the moment, but encouraging collaboration in this space could make that an easier path moving forward.

Not to mention, a single accepted protocol with higher adoption could allow a single car to gain much more valuable data beyond what's in their immediate vicinity, but could tell them what's going on nearby and even real-time traffic data along the route.

As for now, imagine the years of experience each technology has being combined into one super-driver. I know it's not that simple - each company may be representing the data differently - but I don't expect that to be an issue that couldn't resolve itself. Couldn't this significantly push this tech forward? (Note: I don't have the answer, this is my suspicion. I'm hoping some discussion could highlight situations where this has had a bad result, if any).

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