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China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

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Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

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Healthy and subject to a "social credits" system. I'd rather be morbidly obese than have the government force me to play a social status game.

Pretty much every single being on this planet is playing social status game, all China did is put a number on it.

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Healthy and subject to a "social credits" system. I'd rather be morbidly obese than have the government force me to play a social status game.

in the united states, the means of control are hidden rather than apparent.

Case in point, the no-fly list in the US. No one publically knows if they're on it, there is similarly no means to appeal being on it. At least one would know if they held a poor Chinese social credit rating - though I don't know what resolution mechanism they might have for mistakes either.

Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

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Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

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I assume the WHO relies on local census & medical data to generate these statistics (the Reuters piece doesn't have a citation on ths) so I'd take this data with a grain of salt until we hear more details about the methodology.

I agree. Although, it also wouldn't be terribly surprising for China to pass the US on this metric.

When you look at the obesity numbers:

US 36%, New Zealand 31%, Canada 29%, Australia 29%, UK 28%, Israel 26%, Ireland 25%

Thailand 10%, Indonesia 7%, China 6%, Philippines 6%, South Korea, 5%, Vietnam 2%

Vietnam's life expectancy will overtake the US in the next 10-15 years as well most likely (they're about three years behind). In most cases if you prevent people from starving or suffering serious malnutrition, provide a basic level of healthcare & sanitation, and have single digit obesity levels, you'll almost automatically see 75-80 year life expectancies.

South Korea's life expectancy went from 65 years, to 82 years currently, from just 1980 to 2015. They passed the US around 2003. South Korea's GDP per capita was $14,000 at that time, versus $40,000 for the US. One would expect China to have no problem replicating that.

It's a small wonder life expectancies in the developed, high obesity countries are as high as they are. The US is no doubt expending hundreds of billions of dollars extra per year on healthcare as a consequence of its obesity level (cancer, disability, diabetes, etc).

Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

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Healthy and subject to a "social credits" system. I'd rather be morbidly obese than have the government force me to play a social status game.

Pretty much every single being on this planet is playing social status game, all China did is put a number on it.

A government issued number. Thats the key difference. In the real world you can move in the country and start anew somewhere else.

Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

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Healthy and subject to a "social credits" system. I'd rather be morbidly obese than have the government force me to play a social status game.

Pretty much every single being on this planet is playing social status game, all China did is put a number on it.

But in the Chinese system, your number goes down if someone you're friends with on social media makes a post that the Chinese government deems politically unsavory

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much every single being on this planet is playing social status game, all China did is put a number on it.

A government issued number. Thats the key difference. In the real world you can move in the country and start anew somewhere else.

How is this functionally different than e.g. a criminal or financial record?

If you can escape these, you can escape other government records.

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