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Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”

#11

This is insane.

Words are important. Devs will argue over a correct variable name for hours but think names in other places have no meaning

Words are important. Diversity is important. Changing words like "meritocracy" does not improve diversity. It is the illusion of diversity, a feel-good opportunity for well-intentioned bystanders. The true intent is for a small group of highly politically motivated people to gain more control. The governance documents are about control and changing those documents means a shift in control. The movement we are seeing here opposes meritocracy on political principle, as part of their worldview. It does not stop there though. They believe the only answer for "diversity" to put them in charge, beginning with government documents that reflect their radical worldview, see FreeBSD Code of Conduct. Even if you support diversity, you have to realize these people do not care about diversity or inclusion, they are little authoritarians who want more power to dictate what people say and whose opinion matters more/less based on immutable characteristics. We cannot allow authoritarians with such warped views of the world to seize control of key open source projects.

Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”

#12
I think this bit from the email is the most important:

> To sum up:

> -Declaring Mozilla to be a de facto “meritocracy” fails to acknowledge evident bias in representation in the project.

> -The word “meritocracy” itself has become a bone of contention which is unhelpful to us.

> -Meritocractic principles remain highly desirable and should be explicit.

> -We should also acknowledge the importance of measures we take to debias how authority is distributed.

In particular, note the second and third points. The real issue here is that some people get really upset by the word "meritocracy". Is it worth fighting that, or can you just use different words for the same thing?

Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”

#13

Isn't this a misleading headline? It looks more like "Someone proposes that Mozilla remove 'meritocracy' from governance docs"

Agreed. Or perhaps leave the original subject line intact (and free of scare quotes).

Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”

#14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Words are important. Devs will argue over a correct variable name for hours but think names in other places have no meaning

Words are important. Diversity is important. Changing words like "meritocracy" does not improve diversity. It is the illusion of diversity, a feel-good opportunity for well-intentioned bystanders. The true intent is for a small group of highly politically motivated people to gain more control. The governance documents are about control and changing those documents means a shift in control. The movement we are seeing…

you sound like a conspiracy theorist. it is changing an inappropriate word, not shifting control over the entire company Mozilla. i doubt you care about diversity or improving the quality of the open source project

Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”

#15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Words are important. Devs will argue over a correct variable name for hours but think names in other places have no meaning

Words are important. Diversity is important. Changing words like "meritocracy" does not improve diversity. It is the illusion of diversity, a feel-good opportunity for well-intentioned bystanders. The true intent is for a small group of highly politically motivated people to gain more control. The governance documents are about control and changing those documents means a shift in control. The movement we are seeing…

What control do you feel these figures will gain by removing the word meritocracy, specifically?

Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”

#16
After reading the comments in the linked google group it seems like the issue is that they just need to more clearly define (and perhaps more fairly) what ‘merit’ is.

Each team/role should have this clearly defined to eliminate bias/subjectivity. Also by clearly defining that, you help escape a meritocracy where ‘authority’ decides what ‘merit’ is behind close-doors (which isn’t really a meritocracy).

Instead of abandoning a meritocracy because it has implementation issues, why don’t they just fix the problems?

Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”

#18
>The first line of Mozilla’s governance[0] states, “Mozilla is an open source project governed as a meritocracy.”

>The use of the term “meritocracy” to describe communities that suffer from a lack of diverse representation is increasingly seen as problematic: it proceeds from an assumption of equality of opportunity.

Is there evidence that the assumption of equal opportunities does not hold for Mozilla? It seems to me that they went to great lengths to ensure equality of opportunities.

Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”

#19

Isn't this a misleading headline? It looks more like "Someone proposes that Mozilla remove 'meritocracy' from governance docs"

Patrick Finch is a high-level strategist for Mozilla, has been there 8 years.
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