This is insane.
Words are important. Devs will argue over a correct variable name for hours but think names in other places have no meaning
Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”
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Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”
#12> To sum up:
> -Declaring Mozilla to be a de facto “meritocracy” fails to acknowledge evident bias in representation in the project.
> -The word “meritocracy” itself has become a bone of contention which is unhelpful to us.
> -Meritocractic principles remain highly desirable and should be explicit.
> -We should also acknowledge the importance of measures we take to debias how authority is distributed.
In particular, note the second and third points. The real issue here is that some people get really upset by the word "meritocracy". Is it worth fighting that, or can you just use different words for the same thing?
Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”
#13Isn't this a misleading headline? It looks more like "Someone proposes that Mozilla remove 'meritocracy' from governance docs"
Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Words are important. Devs will argue over a correct variable name for hours but think names in other places have no meaning
Words are important. Diversity is important. Changing words like "meritocracy" does not improve diversity. It is the illusion of diversity, a feel-good opportunity for well-intentioned bystanders. The true intent is for a small group of highly politically motivated people to gain more control. The governance documents are about control and changing those documents means a shift in control. The movement we are seeing…
Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Words are important. Devs will argue over a correct variable name for hours but think names in other places have no meaning
Words are important. Diversity is important. Changing words like "meritocracy" does not improve diversity. It is the illusion of diversity, a feel-good opportunity for well-intentioned bystanders. The true intent is for a small group of highly politically motivated people to gain more control. The governance documents are about control and changing those documents means a shift in control. The movement we are seeing…
Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”
#16Each team/role should have this clearly defined to eliminate bias/subjectivity. Also by clearly defining that, you help escape a meritocracy where ‘authority’ decides what ‘merit’ is behind close-doors (which isn’t really a meritocracy).
Instead of abandoning a meritocracy because it has implementation issues, why don’t they just fix the problems?
Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”
#17Sounds quite reasonable from my point of view. This idea that words should only be judged in isolation and not in the historical contexts they have been viewed is not very realistic.
Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”
#18>The use of the term “meritocracy” to describe communities that suffer from a lack of diverse representation is increasingly seen as problematic: it proceeds from an assumption of equality of opportunity.
Is there evidence that the assumption of equal opportunities does not hold for Mozilla? It seems to me that they went to great lengths to ensure equality of opportunities.
Re: Mozilla to remove “meritocracy” from governance docs because it's “problematic”
#19Isn't this a misleading headline? It looks more like "Someone proposes that Mozilla remove 'meritocracy' from governance docs"