What even is this article? There is nothing substantive here. Like many other mainstream tech articles these days, this reeks of mass-media narrative control. I just wonder if it's the clicks that drive these or if there are other actors behind the scenes encouraging the deluge of anti-FB, anti-Goog, anti-Twitter, etc articles. Maybe I'm viewing this too broadly, but I get an icky feeling of intentional furor construction.
Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate
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#12"Germany, home to a tough new online hate speech law", anybody have the definition of hate speech according to this law? This article has a lot of information but a cogent definition of hate speech is not given.
There's no new "hate speech law". There's only new law that punishes sites for failing to remove content that was already illegal. For this they have up to 24 hours, or a week if it is a more complex matter.
That article generally misrepresents German laws, making them seem more draconian than they actually are.
For instance displaying a Swastika is perfectly legal if you don't "objectively" use it to "promote (the) national socialism".
The German definition of Volksverhetzung, often translated as "hate speech", is also quite a bit a narrower than what your average native english speaker would understand as hate speech: basically, under that law, ONLY hate speech against a group or individual targeting them for belonging to a certain ethnic group, nationality, or religion is illegal IF it is disseminated in a way that has the potential to disrupt public peace.
Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook will adapt to as many global regulatory approaches as it has to, and there will be dozens of them at a minimum that will be major markets and require compliance. The world is going to get very, very messy when it comes to complying with all the various approaches nations will implement (to speech broadly, politics, commerce, privacy, you name it). The compliance will act as a tax on its fat margins, basicall…
The solution is to have local networks, then you care only about the local laws. Like on reddit each subreddit has it's rules, you have to respect the local rules , but you can participate in any subreddit
Another solution is anonymity.
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#14I find it interesting that platforms are liable for hosting hate speech, but individual users are not liable for creating it. It's also interesting that Human Rights Watch has come out against the German law: https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/02/14/germany-flawed-social-me...
Why do you think the users are not liable for creating it?
Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate
#15I find it interesting that platforms are liable for hosting hate speech, but individual users are not liable for creating it. It's also interesting that Human Rights Watch has come out against the German law: https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/02/14/germany-flawed-social-me...
Where did you get the idea that the creator is not liable?
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#16"Germany, home to a tough new online hate speech law", anybody have the definition of hate speech according to this law? This article has a lot of information but a cogent definition of hate speech is not given.
This will definitely be abused.
This is just factually wrong.
Edit: The parent poster edited his comment, making this seem off.
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#17"Germany, home to a tough new online hate speech law", anybody have the definition of hate speech according to this law? This article has a lot of information but a cogent definition of hate speech is not given.
This will definitely be abused.
No, your comment is not common sense, only a lazy way to stir up drama on the Internet.
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#18"Germany, home to a tough new online hate speech law", anybody have the definition of hate speech according to this law? This article has a lot of information but a cogent definition of hate speech is not given.
There are no easy definitions for everything, the world is complex, deal with it. It is the same, for example, with pornography. One and the same image might either be pornography or a work of art, one and the same image might either be a holiday picture from the beach or child pornography, and you would be unable to tell the difference just from looking at the images.
In some situations it is just more practical to leave things vague and deal with the facts on a case by case basis once the need arises instead of trying forever - and probably failing - to come up with an airtight definitions covering each and every edge case.
Re: Germany Acts to Tame Facebook, Learning from Its Own History of Hate
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook will adapt to as many global regulatory approaches as it has to, and there will be dozens of them at a minimum that will be major markets and require compliance. The world is going to get very, very messy when it comes to complying with all the various approaches nations will implement (to speech broadly, politics, commerce, privacy, you name it). The compliance will act as a tax on its fat margins, basicall…
The solution is to have local networks, then you care only about the local laws. Like on reddit each subreddit has it's rules, you have to respect the local rules , but you can participate in any subreddit
Pretty much, but its a tad complex.
Microsoft hosts for example in Ireland (part of the EU), but is an American company.
A subreddit has its own moderators and rules, but has to also adhere the global Reddit policy.
FOSS is developed by people all over the world.
One solution is to lay low and be low profile. For example, an invite-only system, or E2EE. Another is to host in a more liberal country. But if the website is in Russian, it is assumed that its being served for Russians (people in Russia).
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#20"Germany, home to a tough new online hate speech law", anybody have the definition of hate speech according to this law? This article has a lot of information but a cogent definition of hate speech is not given.
The NetzDG (which the article is about) exhaustively lists applicable statutes. Among them is Volksverhetzung, which is what is referred to here as hate speech, which is wildly inaccurate.
Algolia says: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13039422#13043027
Here is the full text of the law in question: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/netzdg/BJNR335210017.html (and here is a legally non-binding English translation: https://www.bmjv.de/SharedDocs/Gesetzgebungsverfahren/Dokume... )
§ 1(3) contains the exhaustive list of crimes I mentioned above.