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Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by mdaniel »

ssijak wrote: post #2

I want to learn Vim and tried several times (with vim modes form Intellij mainly) but failed under pressure to get actual things done. I see great potential and I know I have to sacrifice 1-2 month of productivity to get up to speed but I fail every time.

with vim modes form Intellij mainly

Definitely don't do that. A well-written IDE should never make one express movement in terms of text because source code is only serialized as text, but the unit of movement should always be symbols. I love vim dearly, and it is an outstanding text editor, but no one should be programming in it when a more intelligent editor exists for the language.

I have seen people trying to fight with the vim plugin in IJ and it has yet to end well

Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by kenneth »

ssijak wrote: post #2

I want to learn Vim and tried several times (with vim modes form Intellij mainly) but failed under pressure to get actual things done. I see great potential and I know I have to sacrifice 1-2 month of productivity to get up to speed but I fail every time.

Use real vim, not emulators. Emulators all suck, and won't teach you the right habits.

Vim is also extremely powerful when customized to your needs. Build your own setup over time. Start with vanilla vim and add to it over time. If anything annoys you and requires too much manual repetition, it can probably be automated and streamlined.

Force yourself to use Vim for everything, and soon enough it'll be second nature.

Also — consider Neovim. It's real vim, but better.

Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by Elidrake24 »

emacsvimlover wrote: post #8

After running :terminal, is there a way to yank text from my editor window and paste it into the terminal? Likewise, is there a way to copy text from the output of a command (run in the terminal) and paste it into the other window?

For Mac OS, I'd suggest sharing the default storage buffer with the clipboard: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Mac_OS_X_clipboard_sharing

Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by computerex »

jmcphers wrote: post #9
ssijak wrote: post #2

I want to learn Vim and tried several times (with vim modes form Intellij mainly) but failed under pressure to get actual things done. I see great potential and I know I have to sacrifice 1-2 month of productivity to get up to speed but I fail every time.

I've been a heavy Vim user for 20 years, and I hear people say this all the time. Recent converts especially love to write breathless blog posts exalting Vim's editing model as the One True Way, but the truth is that if your editing speed is the bottleneck for your productivity, you must surely be some kind of software engineering deity. There's absolutely no shame in sticking with a model that works for you if you'r…

Completely agree. Use whatever you're comfortable with. No one should feel any shame for not using VIM/Emacs. But with that said, I feel like once you are comfortable with these tools, it's a more pleasurable experience.

Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by smhenderson »

inyorgroove wrote: post #5
ssijak wrote: post #2

I want to learn Vim and tried several times (with vim modes form Intellij mainly) but failed under pressure to get actual things done. I see great potential and I know I have to sacrifice 1-2 month of productivity to get up to speed but I fail every time.

There is this game that was posted to HN earlier this week [1]. There is also `vimtutor` a text file that walks you through a tutorial in vim, I believe this ships by default with vim [2]. -- 1: https://www.ostechnix.com/pacvim-a-cli-game-to-learn-vim-com... 2: https://superuser.com/questions/246487/how-to-use-vimtutor

vimtutor is what got me over the initial hump. I dabbled with Vim for a year or so before I found it. Within a couple of weeks after using it for an hour or so a day I felt very comfortable and have used Vim, environment permitting, as my primary editor ever since.

Thanks Bram!

Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by tomcooks »

inyorgroove wrote: post #5
ssijak wrote: post #2

I want to learn Vim and tried several times (with vim modes form Intellij mainly) but failed under pressure to get actual things done. I see great potential and I know I have to sacrifice 1-2 month of productivity to get up to speed but I fail every time.

There is this game that was posted to HN earlier this week [1]. There is also `vimtutor` a text file that walks you through a tutorial in vim, I believe this ships by default with vim [2]. -- 1: https://www.ostechnix.com/pacvim-a-cli-game-to-learn-vim-com... 2: https://superuser.com/questions/246487/how-to-use-vimtutor

Vimtutor done once a day for a week beats anything else

Added bonus if you force yourself to use a handful of commands for the whole 7 days (I suggest focusing on dd, yyp, xp, cw and obviously hkjl for movement)

Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by ssijak »

jmcphers wrote: post #9
ssijak wrote: post #2

I want to learn Vim and tried several times (with vim modes form Intellij mainly) but failed under pressure to get actual things done. I see great potential and I know I have to sacrifice 1-2 month of productivity to get up to speed but I fail every time.

I've been a heavy Vim user for 20 years, and I hear people say this all the time. Recent converts especially love to write breathless blog posts exalting Vim's editing model as the One True Way, but the truth is that if your editing speed is the bottleneck for your productivity, you must surely be some kind of software engineering deity. There's absolutely no shame in sticking with a model that works for you if you'r…

I often have something to do on some remote linux server and I want to kill my self every time I open some large file in Nano trying to edit something.

Also, when programming, my writing speed is not my bottleneck, but I hate using my touchpad to move the cursor and want to learn vim for both editing prownes and server file editing too.

Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

jmcphers wrote: post #9
ssijak wrote: post #2

I want to learn Vim and tried several times (with vim modes form Intellij mainly) but failed under pressure to get actual things done. I see great potential and I know I have to sacrifice 1-2 month of productivity to get up to speed but I fail every time.

I've been a heavy Vim user for 20 years, and I hear people say this all the time. Recent converts especially love to write breathless blog posts exalting Vim's editing model as the One True Way, but the truth is that if your editing speed is the bottleneck for your productivity, you must surely be some kind of software engineering deity. There's absolutely no shame in sticking with a model that works for you if you'r…

Thanks for chipping in with this. As an Atom undesirable, I've found myself wanting to use Vim now and again over the years, but I know that my productivity shortcomings revolve mostly around motivation, drive and cognitive ability, not typing speed or editing slickness. I think with a handful of keyboard shortcuts I can mostly keep productive speed, although I'm sure I'd never outpace a Vim user.

Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by SeoxyS »

mdaniel wrote: post #11
ssijak wrote: post #2

I want to learn Vim and tried several times (with vim modes form Intellij mainly) but failed under pressure to get actual things done. I see great potential and I know I have to sacrifice 1-2 month of productivity to get up to speed but I fail every time.

with vim modes form Intellij mainly Definitely don't do that. A well-written IDE should never make one express movement in terms of text because source code is only serialized as text, but the unit of movement should always be symbols. I love vim dearly, and it is an outstanding text editor , but no one should be programming in it when a more intelligent editor exists for the language. I have seen people trying to fi…

I'd love to see you swap the implementation two methods efficiently without vim. For me, just a few keystrokes: dim]mvimp2[mP and about 3 seconds. For you: a bunch of clicking and selecting, I imagine.

This is just one example of many I could come up with. Code is text, and vim can easily be made to understand that text well.

Re: Vim 8.1

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Post by sudeepto_dutta »

ssijak wrote: post #2

I want to learn Vim and tried several times (with vim modes form Intellij mainly) but failed under pressure to get actual things done. I see great potential and I know I have to sacrifice 1-2 month of productivity to get up to speed but I fail every time.

I think learning to touch type is an unofficial prerequisite for learning vim. If you "peck & hunt" type and use vim on top of that, I think you'll get frustrated pretty quickly.
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