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US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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> the Electronic Communications Privacy Act only restricts telecom companies from disclosing data to the government. It doesn't restrict disclosure to other companies Clearly the US has their priorities completely the wrong way.

Why? Releasing the data to the government creates Big Brother. I thought we were all against that?

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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> the Electronic Communications Privacy Act only restricts telecom companies from disclosing data to the government. It doesn't restrict disclosure to other companies Clearly the US has their priorities completely the wrong way.

Part of the American mythology is that government involvement is always bad. It's hard for me to know if this developed because of the myths of the America Revolution, that a small colony won it alone and not because of external factors, and how much is due to people preaching small government politics. Regardless a distrust of the government seems to be ingrained in the American psyche IMO.

Ahaha what? There's no myth that we won it alone. Elementary school texts on the subject lay it out fairly clearly that we did it with the French.

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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> the Electronic Communications Privacy Act only restricts telecom companies from disclosing data to the government. It doesn't restrict disclosure to other companies Clearly the US has their priorities completely the wrong way.

Part of the American mythology is that government involvement is always bad. It's hard for me to know if this developed because of the myths of the America Revolution, that a small colony won it alone and not because of external factors, and how much is due to people preaching small government politics. Regardless a distrust of the government seems to be ingrained in the American psyche IMO.

Another part of the American mystique is that every politician is for sale via legal bribery where companies donate to their campaigns and get them to do mostly whatever the company wants, totally contrary to the interests of the public.

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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> the Electronic Communications Privacy Act only restricts telecom companies from disclosing data to the government. It doesn't restrict disclosure to other companies Clearly the US has their priorities completely the wrong way.

What would stop the government from just getting this stuff from a third-party who has purchased it?

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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> the Electronic Communications Privacy Act only restricts telecom companies from disclosing data to the government. It doesn't restrict disclosure to other companies Clearly the US has their priorities completely the wrong way.

What would stop the government from just getting this stuff from a third-party who has purchased it?

Probably the same above-named act.

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the American mythology is that government involvement is always bad. It's hard for me to know if this developed because of the myths of the America Revolution, that a small colony won it alone and not because of external factors, and how much is due to people preaching small government politics. Regardless a distrust of the government seems to be ingrained in the American psyche IMO.

Ahaha what? There's no myth that we won it alone. Elementary school texts on the subject lay it out fairly clearly that we did it with the French.

There are a worrying number of people in the US who believe in American exceptionalism. When the French are brought up by them, it's generally in the context of "We saved their asses in WWII", not "They were vital in our war of independence".

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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> the Electronic Communications Privacy Act only restricts telecom companies from disclosing data to the government. It doesn't restrict disclosure to other companies Clearly the US has their priorities completely the wrong way.

Why? Releasing the data to the government creates Big Brother. I thought we were all against that?

Two big brothers: Government and Corporate - lately, in some cases, these brothers have merged.

Re: US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

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> the Electronic Communications Privacy Act only restricts telecom companies from disclosing data to the government. It doesn't restrict disclosure to other companies Clearly the US has their priorities completely the wrong way.

Why? Releasing the data to the government creates Big Brother. I thought we were all against that?

Contrasted to Palantir, Facebook, cambridge analytica and private firms working for NSA?

Ironically, governments are somewhat still under democratic control... somewhat.

Corporations are completely authoritarian, and by design.

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