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Re: Launch HN: Necto (YC W18) – ISP Starter Kit

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Is what you're offering substantially substantive above https://startyourownisp.com ? I won't mince words: you're asking customers to outsource the core pieces of their business (netops, backhaul, billing) that they should be competent in, which puts them in a precarious position if you exhaust your runway, decide to move on to another venture, or are acquired by a less-than-ideal org. Full disclosure: Muncipal/coop…

We definitely want to make sure that nobody's left high and dry in any set of circumstances. Obviously, we hope to happily partner with our operators indefinitely, but we wouldn't ask someone to commit their capital and ask their customers to depend on them without having these contingencies covered. Companies have started & run ISPs before Necto (of course), but there are significant cost and knowledge hurdles that keep a lot of operators out. I think of it like with Squarespace, where the knowledge of self-hosting a website may be outsourced, but the end result is broader access to the benefits of having an internet presence.

Also, big shout out to Graham (the author of startyourownisp.com). We met, and he's super knowledgeable. I encourage anyone interested to read his guide, it's very good. We don't see our offerings as directly competitive, and share a common goal of increasing connectivity.

Re: Launch HN: Necto (YC W18) – ISP Starter Kit

#13

Is what you're offering substantially substantive above https://startyourownisp.com ? I won't mince words: you're asking customers to outsource the core pieces of their business (netops, backhaul, billing) that they should be competent in, which puts them in a precarious position if you exhaust your runway, decide to move on to another venture, or are acquired by a less-than-ideal org. Full disclosure: Muncipal/coop…

We definitely want to make sure that nobody's left high and dry in any set of circumstances. Obviously, we hope to happily partner with our operators indefinitely, but we wouldn't ask someone to commit their capital and ask their customers to depend on them without having these contingencies covered. Companies have started & run ISPs before Necto (of course), but there are significant cost and knowledge hurdles that…

Great to hear. A rising tide lifts all boats. Appreciate the reply.

Re: Launch HN: Necto (YC W18) – ISP Starter Kit

#14

It's a bummer that this looks to be a turnkey kit that does exactly what I would imagine is the most fun part of building an ISP: network engineering, building routing hardware, etc... I see that your own ISP relies on PPPoE... is that a decision you intend to rely on for the necto lab customers (other ISPs) or was that something you had to do specifically in your own case? Have you seen any downsides to that? I know…

Working on all the networking & routing was definitely the most fun part for me. Unfortunately, not everyone finds it nearly as interesting. We just don't feel that a distaste for the OSI model should preclude someone from running a great business.

Nice catch on the PPPoE. Our gear didn't support Option 82 at the time, but now that it does, we're switching to DHCP. PPPoE is definitely a pain in the butt.

Re: Launch HN: Necto (YC W18) – ISP Starter Kit

#16
Great! This has the potential to help a lot of Americans (and more people, even).

Quick question regarding your business model. Do you intend to charge forever, or is there any option for your customers to get out after the setup if they decide to grow their business with their own resources?

Re: Launch HN: Necto (YC W18) – ISP Starter Kit

#18
post #10

It's a bummer that this looks to be a turnkey kit that does exactly what I would imagine is the most fun part of building an ISP: network engineering, building routing hardware, etc... I see that your own ISP relies on PPPoE... is that a decision you intend to rely on for the necto lab customers (other ISPs) or was that something you had to do specifically in your own case? Have you seen any downsides to that? I know…

What don't you like about PPPoE ?

When someone resets their router, it clears the auth details and their internet stops working. With DHCP, it'll "just work" when the device comes back up. You just need to be a bit smart about figuring out which device belongs to who. DHCP Option 82 is a tagging mechanism that allows you to do this without creating a hard dependency on the physical address of the customer's router.

Re: Launch HN: Necto (YC W18) – ISP Starter Kit

#19

Is what you're offering substantially substantive above https://startyourownisp.com ? I won't mince words: you're asking customers to outsource the core pieces of their business (netops, backhaul, billing) that they should be competent in, which puts them in a precarious position if you exhaust your runway, decide to move on to another venture, or are acquired by a less-than-ideal org. Full disclosure: Muncipal/coop…

Hi! Author of https://startyourownisp.com here. Thanks for the mention. I've talked to the folks at Necto and I think what they're doing is great! Hopefully my guide will be helpful to people building networks whether using Necto or not. There is certainly more to the business than what I've been able to add to the site so far.
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